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PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#231

I come from the Mozilla Suite then Phoenix era of times and I am still glad I never switched to Chrome as my main browser.

same, i was using Mozilla, then Opera till version 12, and then Firefox. I never even installed Chrome, willingly at least.

For one period google was using those very shady tactics of packaging chrome with unrelated software, literally like a malware. Do you remember?

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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*Off-topic:* I've experimented with a new layout in Firefox, and now I can't think of going back. I first installed Tree Style Tab. I then removed the tabs at the top of the window and added a permanent status bar to the bottom of the window using userChrome.css: https://i.imgur.com/PIONywj.png (edited to add, my userChrome.css: https://gist.github.com/anthonyclarka2/155c038de96e91894cbd4... ) (EDIT: I added some ext…

I don't think I'd get through my working day without tree style tabs. It is essential.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#233

*Off-topic:* I've experimented with a new layout in Firefox, and now I can't think of going back. I first installed Tree Style Tab. I then removed the tabs at the top of the window and added a permanent status bar to the bottom of the window using userChrome.css: https://i.imgur.com/PIONywj.png (edited to add, my userChrome.css: https://gist.github.com/anthonyclarka2/155c038de96e91894cbd4... ) (EDIT: I added some ext…

Do you use only full screen browser windows? I got the feeling that TST doesn't play nice with narrower windows as it requires a lot of horizontal space. I've got 10 browser windows on 5 different desktops now (8 Firefox, 1 Vivaldi, 1 Chrome). Only 3 of them are full screen, one per browser. The window I'm currently typing it is wide about 2/3 of the screen and it's probably twice as wide as it should be to read HN (the lines are too long to read comfortably.) My screen is 15.6", 16:9.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#234
post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off topic question on off topic comment: HN, what are your thoughts on Sidebery? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/

I’ve been using it for a while, because I kept having performance and stability problems with TST. Sidebery is much faster for me, I recommend!

How did you track down those problems to reside within TST? I've been using it for years with routinely 100's and occasionally thousands of tabs open without any issue whatsoever.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then what is preventing adblockers from working ? What's that fuss all about ?

Ad blockers will no longer be able to have granular and complete control over requests. Extensions will still be able to observe requests, but not edit them on the fly based on advanced and dynamic criteria. Extensions will no longer be able to neutralize all current and future evasion techniques the advertising and tracking industry implements. Ad blocking and tracking protection extensions will be forced to degrade…

Ah, I see. I was still somehow under the impression that adblockers worked by hiding HTML tags :D.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#236

One of the interesing things about this story is that there appears to be no consideration of not "updating" to a new Chrome version. The idea of user choice in "updating" is completely absent. Why cannot a user say, "V3 sounds wonderful but I will stick with V2, thank you." A user has a version of a program that works for that user (e.g., with uBlock Origin), and Google can apparently forcibly stop that user from us…

Companies rely on their fuckups to force you to update so you get the rest of the kool-aid right along with the stuff that is a must have. You can't say 'just give me that security stuff and hold the trash'.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#237

One of the interesing things about this story is that there appears to be no consideration of not "updating" to a new Chrome version. The idea of user choice in "updating" is completely absent. Why cannot a user say, "V3 sounds wonderful but I will stick with V2, thank you." A user has a version of a program that works for that user (e.g., with uBlock Origin), and Google can apparently forcibly stop that user from us…

When it comes to extensions, they can _only_ be installed and updated through the "Chrome Web Store", so even if you were to stay on an old Chrome version that still supports V2, Google wouldn't let you download any extensions using it.

(There is a possibility to side load extensions for development purposes, but it's not a real option for end users. All other means of side loading has been killed by Google some years back.)

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#238
post #2

Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

Let me give an example. I teach public speaking and I often use online-stopwatch.com as a timer for quick practice speech stuff in class. I had not installed an adblock on the computer in the classroom because I was trying to be good and give that very useful site the ad views.

Then one day in the middle of class I start hearing sound coming out of the speakers which disrupted the class. The site had put an ad on it with an autoplay video. I put ublock origin on it right away.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#239
post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heuristics can use information like parts of the url, context of the request (origin domain for example, or "request is coming from an iframe"), existence of third-party cookies, already detected page behavior, and so on. It also allows for updating the rules on the fly. Like if I allowed something, but it turned out to be a bad idea.

And Chrome won't allow the extension block lists to include regexps/wildcards, they all have to be FQDNs? It seems reasonable to require a static list for privacy reasons. But not supporting pattern matching rules would seem to be an explicit attempt to stop ad blockers.

> It seems reasonable to require a static list for privacy reasons.

It's rich to cite privacy reasons for not allowing the blocking of ad sites whose goal is to spy on you.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

#240
post #160

FYI, Manifest v3 is also coming to Firefox browser. https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat...

And as your own link states, the limitations this submission is about won't apply.

If it's so easy to just avoid this one awful API change, no need to ditch something like Brave or Vivaldi.
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