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Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by wiseleo »

InfiniteRand wrote: post #78

I don't really see the selling point of upgrading to Windows 11 - what does it get me, a moderate power user who is moderately set in his ways

Nothing. Windows has not fundamentally improved since Windows 7 for productivity. I use 10 but 7 was great. Well, Win 10’s virtual desktops are actually awesome.

I see zero benefit in 11. It breaks my workflow without additional apps. I have my taskbar with countless windows on the right side of my screens. This is not supported under Win 11 without 3rd party tools. All of power user tools are ever further obfuscated.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by jrm4 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #164
jrm4 wrote: post #81

From the Linux side of the fence; Like, why. Why ANY OF THIS. Why a big "important sounding" announcement for something so trivial? Why encourage or tolerate an operating system (slash ecosystem of apps) with such a limited view of choice? Announcements like this really lay bare the collective dumbing down that these centralized ecosystems encourage. Someone's going to respond with "people don't like thinking about c…

One quote I've kept around for years is: " But now every little thing--wristwatches, VCRs, stoves--is jammed with features, and every feature is useless without an interface. If you are like me, and like most other consumers, you have never used ninety percent of the available features on your microwave oven, VCR, or cellphone. You don't even know that these features exist. The small benefit they might bring you is o…

You're completely missing the point. I'm not saying that "It's bad for Microsoft to promote a new type of interface that they're trying to get out there."

I'm saying it's ridiculous that Microsoft gets so much "air-time" over it and that professional IT people are paying attention as if this were something special, when it's not particularly difficult to do a really good interface that the user can dig in and modify if they choose.

I'm reminded of the "addition" of Dark Modes to things, as if flippin' Windows 95 didn't let you change your theme way way way back when.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by boogies »

garbagecoder wrote: post #222
ripdog wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is stuffed full of anti-patterns. You can't avoid them just by using notepad.

Windows is garbage. I’m not disagreeing with that part, butdesktop Linux is hot garbage too. The audio stack is garbage. X is decades old and Wyland is a meme.

> X is decades old

As are HN (1.something decades) and Notepad.exes that aren’t as hot garbage as the newest one. X still works fine and IME is only improved by the new things (eg. sxmo, the smartphone UI I’m typing this in) still being built on its well settled, stable foundation.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by lazugod »

grishka wrote: post #226
pantaloons wrote: post #58

I worked on Windows back in 2014, probably the most surprising thing joining there out of college was looking through the bug database. Every issue that gets complained about online -- and many more -- are in there, and have been for a long time, marked WONTFIX due to a potential compatibility break, lack of priority, or some other policy reason. I don't know if anyone even owned Notepad or any other older inbox apps…

I've always liked Apple's approach more. There are public APIs that are mostly guaranteed to work across system versions. Then there are private ones. You can reverse engineer them. You can use them in your apps. They might even do what you wanted. But you're on your own with them, as Apple rightfully considers itself free to break anything that isn't part of the public SDK. Microsoft, on the other hand, sees that so…

How do the various Linux flavors handle this kind of thing?

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by roywiggins »

smusamashah wrote: post #157

What happened to UI customizablity since windows 7/8? Windows XP use to have software to make shell look like anything. Only ever felt the need for skinning since windows 8 to go back to old UI which has clear borders and boundaries for everything including windows, buttons, menu bars, menus taskbar buttons...and lots of other things. Is it harder to skin now? Why there aren't any software to give windows its classic…

Stardock Curtains can do some light skinning of Windows:

https://www.stardock.com/products/curtains/

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by grishka »

lazugod wrote: post #234
grishka wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always liked Apple's approach more. There are public APIs that are mostly guaranteed to work across system versions. Then there are private ones. You can reverse engineer them. You can use them in your apps. They might even do what you wanted. But you're on your own with them, as Apple rightfully considers itself free to break anything that isn't part of the public SDK. Microsoft, on the other hand, sees that so…

How do the various Linux flavors handle this kind of thing?

I did a bit of cross-platform development in C++, and I'm glad to report that Linux is an API clusterfuck in regard to anything going beyond system calls. None of the desktop-related stuff is part of the system and there's always more than one way to do something, and you have to support all of them because else someone would complain that your thing doesn't work on their particular configuration.

Re: Redesigned Notepad for Windows 11

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Post by recursive »

jrm4 wrote: post #230
recursive wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more you configure stuff, the less it interoperates. That's my experience. Defaults for life.

I'm sorry you're bad at interoperating things? Works fine for me.

Apology accepted. But for what it's worth, I definitely wasn't blaming you.
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