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Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by oaiey »

orthoxerox wrote: post #199
jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

.NET 6 (or 5, or Core 3.1) is absolutely fine for personal projects. The tooling is great, it runs on Windows and Linux, the web stack is miles better than Spring Boot. But if your personal projects are a stepping stone to a programming job, then .NET has a monstrous legacy problem. In 2002-2007 a lot of code was written using .NET in enterprises: it was the best way to write a rich desktop application for Windows an…

Legacy exists in every company and platform older than some years. You either do the business of brownfield jobs or not. Every platform has their ugly history .. they just call them differently: SOAP/WS, RMI, CORBA, 2to3, PHP4, jQuery, AngularJS 1, ... . If a platform does not have history, I would be worried that I am riding something which soon is the legacy.

Microsoft does not play catchup in the web space. It is in the pack for some years already. The stuff they do with Blazor is at the upper end of the pack.

.NET, like Java, is not cool. It does not need to. It gets the job done without any experiments in a very modern platform. Doing a startup with boring tech is a thing.

So in summary: .NET is a very good choice for a beginner or converts. It is fresh, you can do solid stuff, do the full stack in one platform (web, desktop, apps, games, iot, ML, ...) and there are plenty of jobs (greenfield or brownfield).

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by merb »

jaywalk wrote: post #117
DavidKarlas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

.NET is sane now... .NET 5, .NET 6, .NET 7... all cool, no more confusion going forward... .NET Framework(full Windows only Framework) is .NET Framework 4.x, stuck there forever only security patches... Only remaining confusing part left in ecosystem is "ASP.NET Core", because even though .NET got rid of Core, latest version ASP.NET didn't

Well, part of the problem with the naming for ASP.NET is that the .NET Framework version (WebForms) was simply called ASP.NET, so they couldn't just drop the "Core" like they did with .NET itself.

btw. webforms is dead. thank god.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by symlinkk »

lbriner wrote: post #3

I would personally prefer you to fix the multitude of things that don't work well in Visual Studio and library issues that are continually pushed back as "won't fix" or "upgrade to .Net5/6" as opposed to always racing forwards to the horizon. Even those of us who are actively migrating applications are stuck with web forms, netfx and dotnet core 2/3 and will be for years, so it would be nice that we felt some love ra…

Why can’t you upgrade to the latest version? Sounds like tech debt. And Visual Studio is almost dead, why aren’t you on Visual Studio Code?

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by azinman2 »

int_19h wrote: post #206
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been their modus operandi forever. I've got to the point where I don't trust them on any of this stuff. I target WinForms and if they ever decide to kill that then I'll abandon the platform completely. >Who cares about "styling" your app and all the rest of the garbage. One of the problems with WPF is the lack of styling of the standard controls. It takes a lot of work to ensure your app doesn't look like a…

Why would you want to style standard controls in a desktop app? They should look the way they look everywhere else in the OS.

Windows has multiple competing standards in the same OS, even from their own software distributed with the OS. It’s embarrassing.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by damagednoob »

svick wrote: post #197
damagednoob wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a bit of a shame because it would be nice to have more startup opportunities in .NET Even if you ignore the history of companies like MS and Oracle what it comes down to is vendor lockin. If there's a chance a vendor will pop up in 3 years time with a huge bill, why take the risk when there are plenty of free alternatives.

I think there is zero chance of that happening. MS recently made one tiny decision that was unfriendly to open source, it caused a huge outcry and a reversal within 48 hours on a weekend. I can't even imagine what the reaction would be in your scenario. Besides, basically everything is open source now and you can't put that genie back into the bottle.

SQL Server, Windows and Oracle DB are open source?

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by robertwt7 »

.NET seems to be getting better every year. Really interested to learn and use it for daily basis.

I just wished more startup are using it more as their tech stack to improve the ecosystem to be on par with Java. Almost every big tech companies are always using java now it's just hard to use .net when you won't get a job that doesn't suck

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by marcocampos »

wsc981 wrote: post #99
runevault wrote: post #20

Been thinking about switching to Rider (already had the personal license for Jetbrains from wanting CLion for Rust) and figured .NET 6 would be a good time to try making the switch. With how blah VS has been for a while hopefully I'll like the Rider experience better (for both c# and f#) Edit: Though I saw something this morning when I tried to load an f# project I made in VS refused to load even though the new ones…

I've been using Rider for a couple of months now for Xamarin projects, as Visual Studio was for unknown reasons unbearable slow on my iMac - it totally destroyed my workflow and productivity. Rider is not perfect, but in many ways miles above Visual Studio. As Rider doesn't have any Forms editor build-in (AFAIK), I am slowly switching most of my views to fully code, so I don't need to rely on Visual Studio's visual l…

It does but only on Windows and for C# projects:

https://www.jetbrains.com/help/rider/Working_with_Windows_Fo...

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by joshschreuder »

AtNightWeCode wrote: post #74
ziml77 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been waiting for .NET 6 for the past year for the long term support. As much as I wanted to use .NET 5, I figured it would be best to only use LTS releases in production.

I never run anything else than LTS in production. The in-between versions have basically been beta quality since .NET 1-preview.

I don't agree personally. I've written production services in all versions from 2.0 up to 5.0, including the minor point releases and had no issues (especially most recently).

I know there have been some quality issues on the EF Core side, but on the Framework side everything has been pretty rock solid for me, with easy upgrades between versions.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by oaiey »

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #128
jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

Even with my personal projects, I am wondering "What am I learning?" and "How might this benefit me professionally?" Other times I'm thinking "I just want this to work". I started with C# with 1.0, back when structs inside structs didn't serialize properly. I've written iOS apps with Xamarin. I am a C# fan. I haven't used it professionally in a decade and my last personal project was years ago. When is C# the right i…

Yeah .. but there is one aspect in this argumentation: C# is everywhere a reasonable contender. So while you rarely get a dominant position (Unity and Backends) you get a lot of second places (Apps, Desktop, ...) which complement your full stack experience in an awesome language. And this is different to other languages: Python/Go: no-show in apps; JavaScript: no-show in data science; Swift: no-show in backends (thanks IBM).

From a management perspective, this is not bad. You get movable team members. In my company we have moved people from WinForms app, to cloud deployed micro-portals and then to a Apple/Android App (all different solutions .. not a migration). C# play a big role in that.

I think this is again a dark-matter-developer / line-of-business situation.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by oaiey »

b8 wrote: post #82

I'm glad that Openssl 3 and more support for WASM was added. I doubt that anyone will use WASM though.

I played around recently with Blazor (the WASM app model). It is awesome regards productivity. Just a bit heavy to load ;)
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