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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by FridayoLeary »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #216
jjcon wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Palestinians live in an apartheid state I’m not sure that means what you think it does

they can't leave their tiny allocated stretch of land. their economic opportunities are completely restricted by a foreign government that they have no representation in. They live under a constant threat of violence from an occupying force. What am I missing here?

To address your points, we must first make a distinction between the different groups: the ones who live in Israel proper are full citizens and none of the above applies to them. The ones who live in West Bank can move freely in Israel with a work permit. The ones in Gaza live in a huge prison and that is truly regrettable. Unfortunately allowing them free movement will vastly increase the powers and abilities of Hamas and will endanger every Jew in Israel, and many Arabs, i might add. Surely you can't expect Israel to take any other course of action given the very real risks involved. As for representation, you make me laugh. Their autonomous government hasn't allowed any elections in 15 years. Please don't apply double standards here. Also, it's an interesting kind of apartheid which gives every privilege to legitimate arab citizens and where an arab party is part of the current government.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by ComputerGuru »

starik36 wrote: post #218
whimsicalism wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The dossier relies almost entirely on the interrogation of Said Abedat and Amru Hamudeh, who worked as accountants for the Union of Health Committees, a separate group which was outlawed in January 2020. Both were reportedly fired in 2019 for embezzling funds, and were later detained by the Shin Bet. Their lawyers could not be reached for comment. Not their own accountants

Why are you splitting hairs??? They worked as accountants through 2019. So obviously they have knowledge of where the funds were being funneled to.

No one is splitting hairs; this is the very crux of the matter. They worked as accountants for a different organization altogether.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by [deleted] »

starik36 wrote: post #222
otrahuevada wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.972mag.com/shin-bet-dossier-palestinian-ngos/ Oh isn'there? Please, stop lying. The established facts, that the Shin Bet tortures people and israeli courts accept anything extracted under torture as testimony, do not in any way make your attempt at attacking sources of information nor your claim that this is false any more valid. Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perce…

> Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perceiving If someone disagrees with you, surely they must be getting paid. Whose payroll are you on? > Can we go back to having an earnest discussion Indeed.

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by [deleted] »

asadlionpk wrote: post #187

I feel like many pro-Israel commentators here are a coordinated low quality effort to derail conversation using “tactics”. I feel this happens on the daily bases online. I remember reading about it; Israel’s strategy to train their online citizens to do this.

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

hanniabu wrote: post #223
lacker wrote: post #194

This title is quite editorialized. The whole controversy is over whether these are human rights organizations as this website claims, or terrorist groups as the Israeli government claims. It should not be a surprise that the NSO group, as an Israeli company, is working against groups that the Israeli government considers to be terrorists.

> against groups that the Israeli government considers to be terrorists Basically any Palestinian is a terrorist in the eyes of the Israeli government because it allows them to justify their oppression, theft, and murders.

Your comment smells of generalization, unfairness, lack of subtlety and antisemitism a bit, don't you think?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by jjcon »

asadlionpk wrote: post #219
pthread_t wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an app for that: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/act-il/id1141853455

Insane that Apple allows this!

Do you really want Apple to ban more apps based on political actions? The HN can be really regressive sometimes =/

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by starik36 »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #232
starik36 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you splitting hairs??? They worked as accountants through 2019. So obviously they have knowledge of where the funds were being funneled to.

No one is splitting hairs; this is the very crux of the matter. They worked as accountants for a different organization altogether .

Given that the accountants gave testimony - it would stand to reason they had knowledge of it.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by whimsicalism »

BeetleB wrote: post #227
whimsicalism wrote: post #170

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Seriously. Do people forget the rhetoric around Mandela and the ANC during apartheid South Africa? He was only taken off the terrorist watch list in '08.

Mandela was offered an early release if he renounced violence. He did not take that offer. I don't know about after his release, but for most of his life he believed in achieving his aims with violence, if need be. As for the violence the ANC perpetrated: It would definitely be considered terrorism today.

Super disingenuous in my view to have some purity test around renouncing violence against a white supremacist state. Is political violence not justified in that context?

Were violent European revolutions against their monarchs all terroristic?

Honestly surprised to see so many apartheid apologists in these replies.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by otrahuevada »

starik36 wrote: post #222
otrahuevada wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.972mag.com/shin-bet-dossier-palestinian-ngos/ Oh isn'there? Please, stop lying. The established facts, that the Shin Bet tortures people and israeli courts accept anything extracted under torture as testimony, do not in any way make your attempt at attacking sources of information nor your claim that this is false any more valid. Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perce…

> Your insistence makes me wonder what kind of incentives you have to be perceiving If someone disagrees with you, surely they must be getting paid. Whose payroll are you on? > Can we go back to having an earnest discussion Indeed.

I'm sorry, do you have a point? You seem to be trying to imply something that makes 0 sense.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by VictorPath »

lacker wrote: post #194

This title is quite editorialized. The whole controversy is over whether these are human rights organizations as this website claims, or terrorist groups as the Israeli government claims. It should not be a surprise that the NSO group, as an Israeli company, is working against groups that the Israeli government considers to be terrorists.

> human rights organizations as this website claims, or terrorist groups as the Israeli government claims.

These NGOs get funding from the European Union, and Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch condemned Israel outlawing these human rights NGOs - so it Israel against not just this magazine, but the EU, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch etc.

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