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My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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Excellent write-up.

I disagree with the conclusion:

>>What if, for some people, there are no solutions?

>>For some, there is no treatment for their depression. There will never be a better career. There is no better life off drugs.

>>I think that’s plausible.

>>Your happiness is a balance between all the good and bad things in life. Some people are cursed with such strong innate bad factors that no amount of good will overcome them.

>>I don’t know for sure, and I would never ask them, but I think that’s what Jack’s parents eventually concluded.

Children cannot see their own full potential. If given the freedom to choose, they will often choose wrong - choose to stay home and play video games, choose to not do their homework, choose to not go outside and be physically active.

This is where the parents come in. They have to force the child to develop skills, and mental fortitude, that will give them a sense of meaning, self-worth, and belief in their own potential.

They cannot tolerate their child being a self-pitying loser. Children will respond to authority, and in the case of a child wasting away their potential, exerting that authority is justified.

I also think all drugs should be legalized. Heroin concoctions should be sold beside bleach. If someone wants to kill themselves, we shouldn't coddle them. Making it fully legal would take away much of the romanticism attached to it. Kids who do drugs should be seen as absolute losers, on par with gasoline sniffers, not raised up by their peers as druggy rebels.

Finally, the medical establishment should stop prescribing painkillers. Jack's addiction started with a Percocet prescription. The costs of prescription painkillers, in sparking deadly addictions, outweigh any conceivable benefit. Pain has never killed any one. Painkillers have.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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This is the scariest thing about heroin IMO. It's basically game over, you've ruined the game of life by using a cheat code and the rest of the game will feel hollow and pointless.

Why is it scary? Heroin isn’t unique in this aspect. I had a friend tell me “when I had the first drink ever my first thought was ‘I want to feel like this the rest of my life’”. He was sucked in right away and struggled for years to break that hold. Plenty of people feel that way and practically kill themselves with alcohol, opioids, cocaine and even food. And plenty of people take opioids equivalent to heroin and s…

I really don't think alcohol causes such a strong reaction in most people. It is pleasant, but not to that extreme.

Also, people dont get addicted to alcohol that fast. It takes a lot more usage to develop physical dependency.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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This is kinda like me (ex-Soviet person) explaining that the policies a lot of US "progressives" are proposing would, if followed to their logical conclusion, result in everyone living in poverty, and them personally being sent to a labor camp as "counter-revolutionary element" if they were to "succeed". This gets downvoted and flagged right away, but it's still something I will keep telling people, because there's no way I'll allow this garbage here without a fight. I've been there, so you don't have to.

And they still think they're right. I don't think you can actually get through, even if you tell them about your lived experience - they'll just think you're making things up, and they don't study history. Party dogma/narrative overrides reason 100% of the time.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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My recent experience in the U.S. has been that, at least at major hospitals, it's flipped to the opposite extreme, and doctors are so worried about the backlash, that they will leave patients in pain and fail to prescribe analgesics sufficient for post-surgical pain control, if they don't have non-opioid options. My partner had a post-cancer DIEP flap reconstruction last month at a top cancer center in NYC, and due t…

Yup, there are a lot of people with chronic pain, and the only things that reliably treat pain without being really bad for your system are opiates and weed. Paracetemol (and to a lesser degree ibuprofen) are so bad for you they mix it into opiates so that if you take enough to get high the paracetemol sends you to hospital, and weed is stigmatised at best, and still illegal in most of the world. Ketamine in useful d…

> I get weird pains they call "cluster headaches" in my face

if you have not already done this, you could consult an "migraine center". There is no cure but there are some effective (for some people at least) options for treating cluster headaches, like triptans and lifestyle changes (regularity in sleep patterns, etc.)

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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My view on drug use has been described as uncompassionate, and I legitimately want to change my perspective, but I haven't been able to. I view drug use as a choice. Yes, there are tons of social, economic, even genetic predisposing factors...but the decision to try drugs or alcohol or smoking or gambling or any other strongly addictive behavior is in the end the user's own choice. It's like it is someone's choice to…

With all due respect, this is the sort of black/white binary view that people tend to take on when they have little life experience.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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I had a friend die this year from heroin (probably from fentanyl, but his family doesn't talk about what happened, so hard to know for sure). His friend group were always pill poppers, and a number of them started popping oxy. In two years, three of them have died. They all moved from oxy to heroin. All of them were snorting it, rather than shooting up. My friend told me they got heroin with fentanyl without knowing.…

> My friend told me they got heroin with fentanyl without knowing.

This is an all too common trend. Most people aren't dying from an accidental overdose, they are being poisoned with fentanyl.

You get addicted to pain killers. Then go to heroin because it's cheaper and more effective. Then you get it laced with fentanyl because dealers are cutting it. Then you die.

To slow it you have to pressure China to stop the labs and you have to crack down on border smugglers, neither will happen anytime soon.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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My view on drug use has been described as uncompassionate, and I legitimately want to change my perspective, but I haven't been able to. I view drug use as a choice. Yes, there are tons of social, economic, even genetic predisposing factors...but the decision to try drugs or alcohol or smoking or gambling or any other strongly addictive behavior is in the end the user's own choice. It's like it is someone's choice to…

I had a period in my life when I could function only on painkillers, otherwise, the world seemed a bleak place to be. After getting better and stopping I had some mild withdrawal symptoms, but I can totally imagine stronger an addiction sneaks up on you before you notice it.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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Good write up. The US is really grappling with diseases of despair, and heroin/fentanyl addition is on of the biggest ones impacting the wellbeing of our society. A massive slice of talent and raw human resource is just dying every year, but the solutions that have worked in other countries are just impossible to implement here due because the the methods that are known to work are politically dead on arrival. I'm a…

There is no drugs policy what can reduce drug usage. The only way you can make sure it's not getting out of hand is to have a rich, smart and healthy society.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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If you don't mind me asking what incident let to you to taking to such a hardline stance? I don't necessarily disagree or agree I just would love to hear that kind of perspective?

As someone else from the UK, at the start of the pandemic lockdown measures several cities tried to give every homeless person a bed. In every case, the majority ended up leaving the accommodation offered due to the rules around drugs, smoking, antisocial behaviour, whatever. I'm not sure I agree with the above poster about their solutions to the problem, but "solving" homelessness, or addiction, is a lot harder than…

> when you have people actively preferring the street to the fully serviced hotel rooms

We don't have all that many people preferring this. Pretty much all of these and all homeless shelters come with massive catches that are reason for why they are not viable solution for many people. It opens at certain hour and you have to completely leave with everything in the morning. Cant have work tools inside, cant lock doors. Noise.

The shelters themselves do have reasons for all those rules. One of them being homeless do make your mental issues and addition issues worst in addition to these people being overrepresented in the first place. But, framing these places as "fully serviced hotel rooms" as if that was what life in them actually looked like is not accurate.

Re: My experience of losing a friend to heroin (2020)

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That's the point, it's not. At least not any more than other drugs. Plenty of people try heroin or opioids and hate it.

Local Man Not Impressed By Heroin: "It's Basically Novocaine"

Where did I state that?
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