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Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by 8note » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

blntechie wrote: post #21

sushsjsuauahab wrote: post #13

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Well, I would be pretty angry if someone built a gigantic apartment complex next to my normal house, since I bought it on the impression I would not have that as a neighbor

That’s ridiculous. I can understand concerns about a dump yard or a concert venue or an industrial plant coming next to a residential suburban house but concerns about an apartment ? There will be legitimate concerns like increased traffic, increased enrollments in school district etc. which need to be solved but not stopping an apartment coming up altogether. Also it’s unfair to ask the outside world around your hou…

And when you cant solve those legitmate concerns?

Then you're stuck with an apartment complex you cant afford, and people who live there still have to drive 20min to get to amenities.

Source: I spent a hour in the morning, and an hour in the afternoon every day on the school bus, because development of apartments outpaced development of schools in my community.

Also, 20min to drive out to parks, because development of apartments outpaced development of parks and play fields and gyms.

Its just as unfair to force people to move because you don't like the way their community already is

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by 8note » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:06 PM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #91

isoskeles wrote: post #30

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"You should've been filthy rich like Bill Gates!" Really?

If a lot of people want to be in an area, but you want an area with fewer people, why should your single vote override everybody else's desires? Simply move elsewhere, as nobody has the right to interfere with the free association of others.

Why should people who don't live there now get a vote?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by poorjohnmacafee » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:09 PM UTC

intricatedetail wrote: post #210

poorjohnmacafee wrote: post #42

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It is is depressing, that clear and obvious solutions were missing at economy-critical supply chain infra. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. But also it's 2021 where people are the most cynical we've ever been, it's almost like there's interest groups in the US that want a fanning of inflation or delayed recovery through shortages.

> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. It could be both e.g. foreign actor using administration's stupidity to probe country's weak points. It seems like the US is probed from all angles.

Probing or partnering? The US is wide open for business, and foreign actors certainly invest billions buying influence in US politics.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by ajmurmann » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:10 PM UTC

labster wrote: post #226

aerosmile wrote: post #170

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I am sure you noticed that Ryan gently exposed those in charge of not doing enough by repeating the ship captain's comments that Ryan's team was the first to ask to get a tour of the port from the ocean side. Granted, perhaps those in charge have their own boats or are using helicopters, but the lack of action does make me wonder.

Ryan probably understands freight and logistics better than the government decision-makers. Regulatory bodies don’t often think in terms of changing the laws, and have narrower scopes. I bet the Long Beach zoning commission never even realized that they could be causing the backup, because the 2-high policy has worked fine for years. In a democracy, we are the government. People who know how to fix problems need to e…

Funny enough this is supposed to be the good side for lobbying. Politicians need input from people on the ground in industry.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by snypher » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #221

skzv wrote: post #205

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> Are we not exporting at the same rate? Yes. To quote JP Morgan's recent article "Dude, where's my stuff?"[0]: > The surge in US import demand has led to a sharp rise in eastbound freight rates (see charts for Shanghai->LA and Shanghai->Rotterdam). However, westbound freight rates have not risen nearly as much, leading to an odd and problematic phenomenon: incentives for container owners to move them back to China e…

That explains why we're sending them empty, but why are ports clogged with them? Shouldn't it be pretty straightforward to load them onto the next ship?

I think the next ship hasn't been unloaded yet.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by jrumbut » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

joecool1029 wrote: post #220

aerosmile wrote: post #157

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The guy is a bad ass. If he wanted to run for President, he would win. I am really not exaggerating - I had a chance to meet him a few years back, and at that time he was the most impressive person I had talked to in person for an extended amount of time (not based on credentials or achievement, but simply based on clarity of thought and new ways of thinking). I also know that PG rates him incredibly highly. To give…

>The guy is a bad ass. If he wanted to run for President, he would win. It's interesting to note that we had a president like this, and that was Herbert Hoover. Hoover's claim to fame before being elected president was saving Belgium from starvation during WWI[1], the dude deeply understood logistics and had lots of connections so was able to negotiate with all the parties to get humanitarian relief and set up his ow…

Jimmy Carter was the other engineer-president. His post-presidential career has burnished his image a bit but on the whole engineers who become president haven't been too popular.

I've been meaning to read that Hoover biography forever.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by epistasis » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

nrmitchi wrote: post #100

epistasis wrote: post #88

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Why should somebody be allowed to keep others out of property that they are not paying for. I find your contention competent wrong on all counts.

That cuts both ways; why should somebody be allowed to induce a negative impact on property that they are not paying for?

Prohibiting others in an entire area is a far far bigger "negative externality."

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by kayodelycaon » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

twic wrote: post #228

Animats wrote: post #85

Truckers are leaving containers all over Los Angeles.[1] Allowing stacking over 2 high is only useful if you have the equipment to stack over 2 high. A place that just stacks empty containers 2 high probably only has large forklifts. The special equipment for high stacking is far more expensive, and only bought if you need it.[2] A more useful proposal is a "peel pile".[3] This is a system which assigns outgoing truc…

What if they stood the containers up on end?

The ends aren’t flat and the containers aren’t structurally designed for that. You’re putting twice the designed load for the bottom of the container on an end that wasn’t made to support that. I’d imagine it would do a fair amount of damage.

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by jrockway » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #207

GuB-42 wrote: post #171

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G/O media is particularly terrible with illustrations. They once had an article abut the ISS with a picture of Mir as an illustration. I think they have a contract with a stock image provider, no photographer, and no one to seek out and license original pictures. Writer are probably asked to select an illustration in their stock image library. I think it is a disgrace to journalism. The front picture is, with the tit…

What is G/O media?

Re: Long Beach has temporarily suspended container stacking limitations

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 10:21 PM UTC

jeffrallen wrote: post #196

wcarss wrote: post #123

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That's neat, but isn't this whole thing about stacking restrictions on empty containers? My understanding of what the Flexport CEO said in their twitter thread was that the best example of the problem is the haulage company that's keeping its driver count * 3 empty containers around on-chassis (which I think means on wheels), just sitting in their parking lot, because they have nowhere to put their empties, because t…

If they are getting paid per delivery, it seems they could find a quarry or an unused airstrip to dump empties on for a small price. When Tesla needs space urgently, they put up a tent. When the military needs to start a war they manage somehow to unload their tanks. Come on, USA, we still know how to do stuff...

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