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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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What you quoted does not really imply you are at an extreme risk of getting a deadly virus.

At 17%, if you do it a long period of time you definitely get it. Even if it isn't deadly virus, you get something nasty and most likely permanently.

9% of the workers reported never using a condom and a further percentage only use them sometimes. I suspect those are the majority of the 17% with an std.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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1,200 an hour! Jeez, that is insane! good for them. Once in a while, I come across something like this and wonder, what is it like to be that rich to casually drop 1,200 an hour , for anything, let alone on escorts.

It strikes me somewhat oddly that one might pay so much for something that literally half the people on this planet is equipped to provide You're paying for looks, ease, simplicity, no strings, and so on... I get it. But idunno, that is a lot of money for one nut. Also suprised the San Diego price is so high, when there is a red light district literally on the border in Tijuana, and those girls charge $60-$100/hr US…

This is the high-end price. It's not for every man and definitively not for every woman. While some intelligence is required to charge these high prices, some genetics lottery luck is also required.

> It strikes me somewhat oddly that one might pay so much for something that literally half the people on this planet is equipped to provide

High-end is basically differentiating yourself from average.

> You're paying for looks, ease, simplicity, no strings, and so on... I get it. But idunno, that is a lot of money for one nut.

It's cheap if you are rich and worried about lawsuits, law enforcement, blackmailing, your reputation, etc... Suddenly, $1200/h is quite cheap.

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The legality is addressed in the article: > You can in fact get issued an escort license in some cities (e.g., San Francisco or Grand Chute, or Jefferson County, WA). I don’t know if this is a good idea, neither I nor anybody I know has applied for this, though I seriously considered. It’s possible it might grant you some legal protection, but also possible it might give you some legal issues, as it puts a lot of inf…

> Ultimately, in the context of the country/culture, legal protection is a progressive position, but it's not sufficient, unless complemented by a degree of anonymity. Not sure how that could work, though! Legal, non-anonymous and socially respectable escort services used to exist, you know. It existed in south india as a practice for hundreds of years before the british came.

"before the british came." More accurately - before Islamic conquerors came. The Vijayanagara empire was utterly destroyed by the Sultanates.

Devadasi as an institution was shattered first by Islamic invaders - who even record this in their journals. In-fact most Islamic historians explicitly declaim this as liberation of women in India and how Islamic conquest uplifted backward society in that era.

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post #209

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It is absolutely supply and demand. I meant girl escorts when I wrote what I wrote. I find it unfair that it you're born a girl and are pretty, you have this option.

People who are born men and rich have the option of paying for those services, so what's most unfair?

I don't see how the "men" part is relevant of what you are saying. The "rich" part is a good point: that's certainly more unfair.

I'm thinking that if men and women of equally poor background, women have this escort option that men don't (obviously they do, but it pays far less good on average than women).

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Seems a bit inconsistent to throw desperate addicts/single mothers in jail if they steal car stereos for meth money/baby food, but blame their johns if they turn to sex work instead. Which is it?

I did not make a comment on the issue of legality, and if you read my comment with an ounce of good faith reason and logic, you would never have put the words you just did into my mouth, and instead focus on what I actually said. I was commenting on the casualness and callousness with which he uses "consenting adults" without regard to the power imbalance as well as the statistics with regard to sex workers and their…

My biggest problem here is that pretty much all working class labour has deep power imbalances and rampant systemic exploitation, but none of the discussion around it robs the labourer of quite as much agency as the discussion around prostitution. Very few people point to Amazon warehouse pickers and say the nature of the work is so obviously non-consensual it should be illegal, even if they're forced into it by impending homelessness or addiction.

It irritates me when people who are making the best of the hand they're dealt get talked down to like they haven't made a choice, and thrown in jail because they're trying to put food on the table. Yeah, vulnerable people are prostituting themselves because the alternative is worse, but how does making prostitution illegal fix the problem? It's a dumb knee-jerk reaction that makes everything worse - prostitution is driven underground, governments can't ask about working conditions or prosecute bad johns, and vulnerable people end up in jail.

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Why are you already bringing up disincentives? Your comments hint that you've already decided there is something inherently wrong with paying directly for sex. You're totally dismissing the possibility that research might very well find that prostitution is a net positive for individuals, and that most of the associated negatives are caused by its criminalization.

You're right, research could show that it's an unmitigated benefit and I would have to reevaluate my position. I cannot however live in the world of hypotheticals. My present understanding is based on existing information available. Philosophically I am wary of the coercive power of money in relationships. The economy is misunderstood enough, I can't imagine the situation is better when it comes to intimacy markets.…

It's not hypothetical that prostitution is often called the world's oldest profession for a reason. Power dynamics that can seem unfair and might be abused exist in human relationships, like it or not, and have since time immemorial. Don't even look at the animal kingdom. It's not prettier.

Also, the relationship between an escort and a client is absolutely not a "parasocial relationship." You're abusing that term. Escorts and their clients have real relationships, even if you have a problem with the fact that they're based on transactional intimacy.

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post #156

Very interesting article. Do I understand correctly that sex work is still illegal in the US? If so, what's the rationale? Why can't consenting adults do what they want with their body?

Unfortunately, legal sex work is often exploited as a safe haven for human trafficking. High end escorting is actually likely to be at the lower end of risk, but is ultimately too tiny of a niche for policymakers to care about preserving.

The reality is that despite being spun to a willing press as "human trafficking raids", these raids extremely rarely involve any human trafficking, and 99% of the woman being arrested, having their money confiscated, given criminal records, have their photos and names published online, lose their children etc. are in fact those same marginalized women who the state purports to want to help/save.

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I felt very sorry when she said it's difficult to take deposits because payment processors are cruel, that she can't report a horrible client to police, that the govt refuses to acknowledge the work but takes the taxes, and all the precautions escorts have to take against cops. This work should be legal.

The legality is addressed in the article: > You can in fact get issued an escort license in some cities (e.g., San Francisco or Grand Chute, or Jefferson County, WA). I don’t know if this is a good idea, neither I nor anybody I know has applied for this, though I seriously considered. It’s possible it might grant you some legal protection, but also possible it might give you some legal issues, as it puts a lot of inf…

> the legal protections are not a worthy tradeoff for privacy.

I don't think it really conveys any meaningful legal protections. I suspect it allows you to operate, but it won't mean that you will be treated with the same respect that a non escort would have got.

They are still not allowed to use normal payment providers, they cannot form companies, they cannot operate their own premises, with security (as that would border on prostitution, which is a stupid distinction)

Think of it as the police allowing pot dealers, even though it was still illegal to posses.

Re: Overly analytical guide to escorting

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post #234

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People who are born men and rich have the option of paying for those services, so what's most unfair?

I don't see how the "men" part is relevant of what you are saying. The "rich" part is a good point: that's certainly more unfair. I'm thinking that if men and women of equally poor background, women have this escort option that men don't (obviously they do, but it pays far less good on average than women).

Just that men earn more money and have more wealth than women when looking at population averages. In many cultures women are expected to marry and look after the kids while the men work, and that expectation carries over into education opportunities, parental support, hiring decisions and so on.
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