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Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by petermcneeley »

dexwiz wrote: post #229
Animats wrote: post #216

Roblox is working on a "moderation" system that can ban a user within 100ms after saying a bad word in voice. But their average user is 13 years old. Interestingly, Second Life, the virtual world built of user-created content, does not have this problem. Second Life has real estate with strong property rights. Property owners can eject or ban people from their own property. So moderation, such as it is, is the respon…

For some reason I remember everyone's behavior on old school message boards as much better than modern social media. Sure, you have your degenerate boards, but just don't go there. Moderation and censor ship will always exist, but they seem to work better when they are more locally applied.

Echoing the same sentiment Counter Strike was exactly the same. There was an insane diversity of servers. Some were literally labeled Adult Content and way on the other extreme some were 'christian' where saying the word "shit" would get you banned.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by derekzhouzhen »

makeitdouble wrote: post #120
derekzhouzhen wrote: post #83

There is no correct way to do the content moderation, so on my website, https://roastidio.us I don't plan to have any. My rules are simple: * you can say whatever you want to say, but only one person, the one you replied to, get to see it other than youself * the one you replied to get to approve whether it can be shown to other people. No further reply is allowed until this one is approved. * Even the one you replie…

Don’t you still have to deal with user reports, repeated spam, stalking, verbal abuse etc. ? I’d assume a comment being visible to only one person doesn’t completely remove all the user to user issues the other platforms face.

Flame wars, abuse etc. only happen if there are other people watching. Why would anyone try to abuse someone of which they have next to zero info for no personal gain, and no one can witness your triumph anyway?

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

throwawaysea wrote: post #213
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you create a platform with absolutely zero censorship, you become a repository for child porn. I participated in Freenet many years ago because I liked its ideas (And thought it would have been a nice way to pirate games without my ISP being able to know), but it got a reputation for being used for CP, and I promptly deleted it, because I want no part in that. If you merely censor illegal content, you will become…

> If you merely censor illegal content, you will become a home for disinformation and ultra right-wing conspiracies. See Parler. What do you count as disinformation and why is it a problem? If you disagree with something you can ignore it and move on, or engage with it and respond with your own counter-argument. It doesn't seem like a problem that reduces the viability of the entire platform. It is also strange to me…

> What do you count as disinformation

I won't get into the argument of "Well then who is the arbiter of truth?" because honestly, I don't have an answer. It can't be the government for obvious reasons, but it also can't be private corporations, and certainly can't be the general public. That leaves...nobody. Maybe a non-profit organization, but even those could easily be corrupted.

> and why is it a problem?

Nearly 700,000 US deaths from COVID so far, a number that continues to rise due to anti-vax disinformation convincing people to not vaccinate.

Disinformation is literally killing people by contributing to the continued spread of a pandemic. It's absolutely insane to me that you would genuinely ask why disinformation is a problem.

Just because I don't have a solution to a problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

> If you disagree with something you can ignore it and move on, or engage with it and respond with your own counter-argument.

If this was an effective approach, Tucker Carlson would have been off the air ages ago, QAnon would have been dismissed as a crackpot by everybody, and disinformation wouldn't be a problem.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by mijustin »

jfengel wrote: post #55

If you host blobs for free, somebody is going to use you as their host. Even if you just hosted audio, I'm sure somebody will quickly come along with a steganography tool to hide their content on your site (and use your bandwidth). Similarly, if you make compute power available, people will use you to mine cryptocurrency. Even if all you host is text, somebody will come along to be abusive. When you put a computer on…

> If you host blobs for free

This is the key distinction. If you charge money, from the beginning, most of your content moderation woes go away.

At Transistor.fm we host podcasts and charge money for it (starting at $19/month). We've had very little problems with questionable content.

We're a counterpoint to the narrative here: small (4 full-time people), profitable, and calm.

> Even if you just hosted audio

Most DMCA takedown requests these days are handled through the big podcast directories (Spotify, Apple Podcasts). We haven't had to write/implement any fingerprinting tech.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by tester756 »

dkh wrote: post #81

It drives me absolutely nuts when I encounter a video platform upstart that has not adequately prepared (or prepared at all) for the inevitable onslaught of undesirable and illegal content that users will soon start uploading if the platform has really any traction at all. No UGC site/app is immune. Even when prepared, it is an eternal, constantly-evolving battle as users find more clever ways to try to hide their up…

How about accepting stuff manually before publish and only for paid users? :P

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by gmmeyer »

dexwiz wrote: post #229
Animats wrote: post #216

Roblox is working on a "moderation" system that can ban a user within 100ms after saying a bad word in voice. But their average user is 13 years old. Interestingly, Second Life, the virtual world built of user-created content, does not have this problem. Second Life has real estate with strong property rights. Property owners can eject or ban people from their own property. So moderation, such as it is, is the respon…

For some reason I remember everyone's behavior on old school message boards as much better than modern social media. Sure, you have your degenerate boards, but just don't go there. Moderation and censor ship will always exist, but they seem to work better when they are more locally applied.

I remember it being a huge mix! It really depended on what boards you were on. There were boards I was a member of in 2003 that had very strong moderation and they were great!

I was also on some basically unmoderated boards and saw some stuff I wish I didn't see.

I think this is more indicative of the communities you were a part of than the actual behavioral norms of people at the time.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by Alir3z4 »

flal_ wrote: post #230
Alir3z4 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tensorflow and scikit-learn to train and build the model. On the front FastAPI (behind uvicorn) to accept calls via REST API. Deployed via docker. To be honest, tensorflow and scikit-learn may not be the right fit for everything. Every situation needs different approach and different solution. Worth nothing, the most time consuming part was dealing with data itself and not model training or machine learning. In coupl…

"Worth nothing, the most time consuming part was dealing with data itself and not model training or machine learning." Become a data scientist they said. Yay, artificial intelligence...

Hahaha. Yes, I felt that every second while dealing with it.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by 908B64B197 »

Animats wrote: post #216

Roblox is working on a "moderation" system that can ban a user within 100ms after saying a bad word in voice. But their average user is 13 years old. Interestingly, Second Life, the virtual world built of user-created content, does not have this problem. Second Life has real estate with strong property rights. Property owners can eject or ban people from their own property. So moderation, such as it is, is the respon…

> Roblox is working on a "moderation" system that can ban a user within 100ms after saying a bad word in voice. But their average user is 13 years old.

Reminds me of XBox live more than 10 years ago. They banned the word "Gay" since it was used as a slur by (by their estimate) 98% of users.

But there was a two percent population that simply used it legitimately. [0]

[0] http://www.mtv.com/news/1605966/microsoft-apologizes-for-xbo...

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by mindslight »

commandlinefan wrote: post #113
makeitdouble wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is about business running platforms with UGC. While free forums on the darknet might get away with a tad more lax policies, if you’re a registered business hoping to make any money you won’t have a choice but to moderate in some way. At the very least it will be to follow your country laws, and more often than not your clients will require you to do so.

The only real argument in favor of moderation is that the platform owner is legally obligated to do so - which could and should be changed.

Or better yet, do away with these "platform owners" by using decentralized technologies.

Re: You either die an MVP or live long enough to build content moderation

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Post by sroussey »

dexwiz wrote: post #229
Animats wrote: post #216

Roblox is working on a "moderation" system that can ban a user within 100ms after saying a bad word in voice. But their average user is 13 years old. Interestingly, Second Life, the virtual world built of user-created content, does not have this problem. Second Life has real estate with strong property rights. Property owners can eject or ban people from their own property. So moderation, such as it is, is the respon…

For some reason I remember everyone's behavior on old school message boards as much better than modern social media. Sure, you have your degenerate boards, but just don't go there. Moderation and censor ship will always exist, but they seem to work better when they are more locally applied.

Having run a platform of a million or so of those, this is somewhat true. But there were spammers posting across many communities and those where the mods left got littered. We had to set forums to automatically move to require moderator approval to post which at least saved the board in history, but was a pain for a moderator if they returned.
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