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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

criley2 wrote: post #115

The primary motivation of most creators is to make money. What is PeerTube paying per view? 0$? Why would any creator spend all that time and money making content to give away for free? Do you give away your daily work for free? They can easily use something like Patreon or one of the many pay-only tube sites if they're giving up on ads and asking for donations/subscriptions/etc. I mean, I'm not against the idea, it…

> The primary motivation of most creators is to make money.

Most creators/uploaders do not monetize their works. This is just the tiny minority that Youtube highlights to keep their business flowing. A lot of content is produced by amateurs and non-profits, and Youtube does them a huge disservice by displaying ads (which they don't benefit from), tracking their viewers, recommending bad-quality/outrageous content (eg. conspiracy videos), and copyright-striking their videos even when it is clear no law was violated (eg. fair use).

> Why would any creator spend all that time and money making content to give away for free? Do you give away your daily work for free?

I definitely would not give my work for free for companies to profit from, but i'm happy to engage in free labor for non-profits and for my peers. This is a well-known paradox in the libre culture/software, especially with non-copyleft licenses (eg. MIT) which enable a for-profit to siphon of volunteer work without ever contributing something back in return. See also: OpenSSL maintainership "scandal" back in the day.

> If Youtube paid $0/1000 views... the majority of the top 1000 creators would be gone overnight.

Would that be such a loss? Looks like these channels are just outrage/advertisement machine with very little content creation going on... at least form an outsider's perspective.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by wiether »

Funny story : I tried going fullscreen at the exact moment when he's showing his YouTube metrics which he blurred for legal reasons. But I thought it was an issue with the player which wasn't able to download the video at a sufficient quality. So I was like "yeah, it's crap, I can't see sh*t; YouTube's better".

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

mattl wrote: post #88

Followed the link and clicked play and it stopped after one second.

This is an issue with the instance which may not have enough bandwidth to serve the video. There's two mechanisms to counteract this:

- clients viewing a video will seed (share) it along, so as a video becomes more popular it becomes more widely available

- other instances can seed one another's video to help them reach a broader audience (geographically speaking)

I have no clue about how this instance is operated but it's a fair bet that it's not replicated by other instances (yet), and that it's operating from a network location that doesn't have very good connectivity with you.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

varispeed wrote: post #39

When using such federated platforms, do you leak your IP address to other people viewing the content?

For Peertube specifically yes, if you're seeding it (opt-out if your browser supports it).

However, this concern is mitigated because Peertube uses open standards, so it's very easy to use various proxying services for privacy concerns. It's unlikely that any such 3rd party clients will ever get blocked.

Comparing to Youtube: a single malevolent company tracks everyone's actions for nefarious purposes, purposefully changes internal "protocol" regularly to break 3rd party clients (youtube-dl, Newpipe) and blocks scrapers and other archival systems.

Overall, Peertube has much more privacy-friendly capabilities than Youtube ever will have.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

dartharva wrote: post #36

Odysee is functionally a much better Youtube alternative than Peertube. Too bad it mostly acts like the Youtube equivalent of Parler now.

As someone who has never used Odysee, how is it better? I'm sure Peertube project contributors would be happy to receive constructive feedback on how to improve their project.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

petermcneeley wrote: post #4

Why is the upload bytes always zero for me? (I would guess they dont do NAT holepunch)

It appears for the moment Peertube uses hardcoded STUN servers for WebRTC peer discovery. [0] It may be that your browser is blocking those 3rd party requests for privacy reasons.

[0] https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/3177

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

Popegaf wrote: post #70
3gg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering the same thing. Looks like the videos are shared using WebRTC, which I have disabled in my browser.

WebTorrent ( https://webtorrent.io/ ) is built upon WebRTC, but I believe PeerTube should fallback to simple HTTP mp4. There is a download link handy that you can open in the browser, vlc, mpv or your favorite video player. https://diode.zone/download/streaming-playlists/hls/videos/b...

Video playback fallbacks to MP4 over HTTP(S). However this does not work for seeding. Grandparent comment was about why upload count is zero.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by southerntofu »

SilverRed wrote: post #139
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering it's being hit by Hacker News, I'd say that's not that bad.

It's always been like that for me. Even the lowest quality videos struggle to play.

What region are you in, and what instances are you failing to access? Smaller/newer instances generally don't have a lot of "peer instances" seeding their content, so that could be why you're having trouble accessing it.

Not everyone has Youtube-level bandwidth, but even Youtube is very hard to access in many parts of the world. Peertube is designed in a decentralized manner so that people who enjoy your content can setup a local instance in their neighborhood to mirror (seed) your content.

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