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Let me guess, at some point you were thoroughly russianed.
They tried to, but they russianed it.
Do you know of such city which used to be called Viipuri? What a nice city, wasn't it?
Russia restricts opposition election voting app
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Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Silent days” are still a thing. The new bit is that the day before the election is not included, only the election days themselves. This prohibition makes sense to me. My personal opinion is that telegram’s actions are reasonable in this context. Navalny’s team fucked up by publishing their recommendations only on the 15th, two days before voting. I don’t understand that decision at all.
You have these "silent days" in most countries. When we have elections in France, we just look at Belgian or Swiss newspapers to see how the votes are going on. They do not care about these days, only French newspapers and media do. Twitter does not, Facebook does not, Telegram does not - nobody cares except for France. How is Russia different?
Hmm, I've been wondering the same, and I'm not sure this applies here. They clearly used other legal means (marking the org as terrorist). If you have a leaflet already at home, you can still read it. If you walk to your local party's branch, you can read the leaflets there. Websites of most parties do not close during silent days, only advertisement is forbidden. Finally, this Smart Voting app does not seem to use any real-time polling result, does it? It's basically a directory with local candidates per area.
Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have these "silent days" in most countries. When we have elections in France, we just look at Belgian or Swiss newspapers to see how the votes are going on. They do not care about these days, only French newspapers and media do. Twitter does not, Facebook does not, Telegram does not - nobody cares except for France. How is Russia different?
Hmm, I've been wondering the same, and I'm not sure this applies here. They clearly used other legal means (marking the org as terrorist). If you have a leaflet already at home, you can still read it. If you walk to your local party's branch, you can read the leaflets there. Websites of most parties do not close during silent days, only advertisement is forbidden. Finally, this Smart Voting app does not seem to use a…
What I meant is essence is that moving the information outside the country to an entity that is independent (and cannot be bullied like Apple or Google were) would allow for access to that information (the dynamic part (the part of the information that changes) is interesting because, as you noted, once you have it, you have it)
Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
> France, apparently, is in a situation where nobody cares enough to enforce It is strictly enforced in France. But Internet knows no borders so the statistics of votes (which is is illegal to provide in France during the voting day) are available outside of France (usually in French speaking Belgian / Swiss online newspapers, or Twitter/FB/...). My point is that a country cannot expect that other countries (and serv…
> It is strictly enforced in France It’s not strictly enforced. Exit polls published outside France are collected inside France. Those who collect with clear intent to immediately publish are subject to French law, and may be fined. Which, from what you are saying, does not happen. > I am not sure I understand that point I am not sure how to explain it better. You should not both demand lawful election and circumvent…
> Those who collect with clear intent to immediately publish are subject to French law, and may be fined
Exit polls are legal. Publishing them is not. They are published by non-French entities, which cannot be fined because of some internal law of ours.
> You should not both demand lawful election and circumvent electoral laws at the same time. You can, and people do, but it’s not a strong position
The rules are from the times where information was provided by printed newspapers, radio and TV. It is time to realize that we are in a different world and adapt.
If we allow foreign newspapers to publish data (because we cannot forbid that), we should give an equal chance to the French ones.
Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have these "silent days" in most countries. When we have elections in France, we just look at Belgian or Swiss newspapers to see how the votes are going on. They do not care about these days, only French newspapers and media do. Twitter does not, Facebook does not, Telegram does not - nobody cares except for France. How is Russia different?
Hmm, I've been wondering the same, and I'm not sure this applies here. They clearly used other legal means (marking the org as terrorist). If you have a leaflet already at home, you can still read it. If you walk to your local party's branch, you can read the leaflets there. Websites of most parties do not close during silent days, only advertisement is forbidden. Finally, this Smart Voting app does not seem to use a…
The government used the ‘extremist’ classification, yes. Telegram’s Durov referred to the ‘silent days’ practice as his excuse.
Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
You really don't see the difference between eliminating all the candidates (and all popular candidates) and eliminating one candidate per district? Smart Voting™ creates these popular candidates in the districts where all competitors of Putin's guy are more or less equally popular. Knowing whom they will make popular is an advantage for Putin, don't you agree? I have a feeling you're arguing out of stubbornness. My o…
“One per district” is 225, “all popular” in contested districts is, like, maybe 70? Smart voting does not create new popular candidates. It’s a way to concentrate the 5 % they can access (or 2 %, if badly mismanaged by publishing the list too late) in an efficient way.
Please back the numbers up with data.
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What is "the blue bubble"?
Idiocy where people ridicule you for not having iMessage (and its features) because you have an Android phone and someone sends you messages on iMessage, it shows up as green for them, which creates a sense of inferiority in their eyes. (Android doesn't support iMessage unless you use something like AirMessage which requires a Mac, and iMessage to iMessage shows messages sent in blue, but SMS to iMessage, which is wh…
Truly, what kind of emotionally insecure absurdity would you have to be shamefully allowing into your mind to give the least shit about the color of your message texts and your phone type? I can't imagine taking seriously anyone who shames me for something so vapid. Why even bother hating iMessage and etc? Why not just.... Not give a shit either way? In a very young girl or boy it's just maaaaybe slightly understandable (until a bit of good parenting intervenes to put it into perspective for the silliness it is) but for any functional adult? Ridiculous.
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Unfortunately, if you ask the average user whether they want detailed control of what runs on their phone or a Facebook app, they're going to go for the Facebook app. Most users don't have any utility in detailed control. They don't even know what to do with it.
> Most users don't have any utility in detailed control. They don't even know what to do with it. Can I chime in and say that: - Surprisingly many are getting uncomfortable with the current situation. - If this had been our collective conclusion 20 years ago we wouldn't be sitting here working on blazingly fast Linux dev machines running dirt cheap servers in vast clouds, we would have been stuck with Windows (and pr…
Most developers aren't most users. A little over 50% of developers use some variant of desktop Linux; total desktop Linux userbase is about 2% worldwide. The closest most users get to "using the Cloud" is checking their Gmail accounts or updating some shared company Google Docs.
Here in the rarefied air of HN, things look different than they do on the ground. Granted, developers have an outsized impact on what users will end up getting... But not by pretending PinePhone is anywhere near "ready for prime-time." I have one sitting on my desk right now; it's not. Rather, we should recognize the vast gap of work that needs to be done to get there and put the time in to get it there if we believe it's the right direction (and also recognize that if it's going to succeed in the marketplace, a lot of users are going to want something in PinePhone that's as easy to use for discovery and app maintenance as an app store; app stores introduced to users the concept "There is one simple and effective way to put apps on your phone," and they don't want to go back to the DIY days of yore. On the plus side, nothing about PinePhone requires only one app store).
Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know why people have such a hard time believing this. A 50 cent army to steer social media opinions is certainly a lot cheaper than aircraft carriers
>> I'd venture a guess that this low-grade whataboutism directed at US comes overwhelmingly from Russian and similar bots trying to divert attention. > I don't know why people have such a hard time believing this . A 50 cent army to steer social media opinions is certainly a lot cheaper than aircraft carriers I will make an attempt at an explanation, or at least an unusual way to think about it . It's not that I find…
Also interesting is how unpopular (for reasons that are not stated) these ideas seem to be across most any ideology, educational level, gender, etc.
Re: Russia restricts opposition election voting app
#240To me it is hillarious that the thing called "Smart Vote" (the one that was banned) means actually "vote for whoever you are told to vote for by the Navalny team". I only found it out a few days ago. This doesn't sound really smart to me at all. Quite the opposite. "Mindless vote" would be more correct. It doesn't care about the candidate's person, political agenda, views, biography, anything. It doesn't care about t…
This is pseudo preferential voting.
Preferential voting is much better voting system as you vote is not wasted on candidate who will not pass election threshold.
Smart here means the vote is used to make a difference and not get wasted