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Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by tartoran »

horsawlarway wrote: post #181
caymanjim wrote: post #140

I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

I agree that this is both invasive and a huge violation. My wife had pretty severe sleep apnea in the third trimester of her pregnancy, two experiences that make me think this practice needs to be nuked from orbit. 1. We properly read the manual for the device and adjusted the pressure so that it didn't cause problems with burping/ingesting air during sleep. Tissue gets softer in women as they near birth and the body…

Wow! Im speechless and a bit afraid of what’s to come from the IoT/medical/surveilance industry

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by caymanjim »

dylan604 wrote: post #225
reaperducer wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She said that if I disabled it, insurance would refuse coverage. This is true. That's how i found out that one of my medical devices has s cellular modem: I got a letter from the DME company saying that if i didn't use it more hours, my insurance would refuse to cover it and I'd have to pay the balance. Where i lived, i had terrible cellular service, so i had to get an exemption from the insurance company and make su…

Have you looked at the data on the SD card? Can it be manipulated in any way as to show that it is being used even if not?

I've looked at it. It's not human-friendly, but it's not secured in any way. It would be trivial for anyone with basic programming chops to modify it.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by aix1 »

JasonFruit wrote: post #220
aix1 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give some concrete examples of the types of data that an existing smart monitor (not a TV) collects and sells to others? (Ideally also naming the manufacture and the device.)

Five years ago when I last looked into it, a "smart monitor" was a monitor running a custom Android setup that could do whatever a smart TV or tablet could do. The possibilities for data collection are practically unlimited, and recent experiences with smart TV updates putting ads where no ads were before show that potential matters; it's on the basis of potential that I'm against it, not because I have detailed know…

How would such a "smart monitor" connect to the Internet? Wouldn't that require network hardware not commonly found in monitors as well as some cooperation from the owner (to hook up the monitor to their network, with unclear benefits)?

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by salawat »

caymanjim wrote: post #140

I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

Welcome to realizing Insurance companies are soft control mechanisms and one of the worst in terms of justifying rampant data aggregation to keep the actuaries busy.

Also welcome to privacy violation via undisclosed industry collaboration. You'll find the same pattern pops up just about everywhere.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by jt2190 »

caymanjim wrote: post #140

I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

> no one is monitoring diet, exercise, drug use, cigarette consumption, or other risky behaviors, and threatening to withhold treatment for non-compliance).

While an employer-sponsored health plan does not “withhold treatment” per se, they definitely draw a line around what they’ll pay for. Part of the physician’s (or more typically the hospital’s or physician group’s) reimbursement is contingent on whether the patient adheres to the treatment regimen [1] which incentivizes things like automated tracking.

Even though you have a high-deductible plan, you’re still involving your health insurance provider in the transaction. It’s not quite the same as a “cash for service” relationship.

[1] https://www.medscape.com/features/content/6006314

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by corobo »

MarkusWandel wrote: post #134

I recently bought a 32" 4K monitor. Two different models were at at that point inexpensive enough to tempt me. A smart one, and different brand, dumb one for $50 more. I bought the latter. I'm happy. The market decides, right? What is actually happening here? 1. Most people actually like this overdone gimmickry? 2. Most people think they will like it, buy it and then get sick of it? Thus people like me, who seek out…

I think it's more that people outside of HN don't really care about their privacy if it's not visibly being violated. From there it's cheapest and biggest wins

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by snypher »

matsemann wrote: post #20
teekert wrote: post #2

It should also have an arm on the door to slap your hand when you open it for the 41st time in a day. I mean, that's insane, you deserve a slap. Btw, this reminds me a bit of my parent's Renault that would tell me every damn time I started it to follow traffic regulations. I wish I could slap that car and it would feel it. And then there's my father-in-law's Mazda, which has a GPS system that sometimes finds him 200…

Ah, I get the same urge using Google Maps on my phone. Want to reach through the screen and slap the developers. So slow, so many key presses. So often it changes something up so I have to re-learn. So often it makes wild guesses that are completely off what I'm actually trying to achieve. Have to press back button a hundred times to get out of whatever it's showing me, whops one too many, app is now closed, have to…

"Oh, you're following my navigation directions? I'm going to re-route you with no notice."

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by opwieurposiu »

FpUser wrote: post #132

I was sort of shocked when I went to buy some gizmo for my car on Amazon and it told me that this particular one will not fit my particular car make and model. Other than whatever is required by law I never told any company about what car if any I own.

Car dealers sell your info when you buy the car. Mostly used to try and sell you third party extended warranty and the like.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by salawat »

bserge wrote: post #169
caymanjim wrote: post #140

I have a semi-related anecdote about surprises from devices. I use a CPAP. After a year, I went back to the doctor for a followup, and was asked to bring the SD card so they could review the data it collects. The device records the times and duration of use, various settings, and some metrics on breathing (apnea events, etc). I knew it recorded this stuff on an SD card. I brought the card to the appointment, but the…

Insurance is a racket everywhere apparently.

It's supposed to be a capital allocation optimizer and risk mitigator. Unfortunately, without hard limits on things, it degenerates to financial control mechanism formost people.

Re: Our fridge just emailed us to say we opened its door too many times

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Post by Someone »

croon wrote: post #71
WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Btw, this reminds me a bit of my parent's Renault that would tell me every damn time I started it to follow traffic regulations. There are people who would benefit from this reminder. They, however, tend to not drive Renaults, but Audis and BMWs. > Do people even use the stuff they make themselves? Last I’ve heard they were using A/B tests to choose between crazy features and batshit insane features to maximize eng…

> There are people who would benefit from this reminder. They, however, tend to not drive Renaults, but Audis and BMWs. I've had this game with my wife while driving somewhere for the last 10 years. I see someone doing a dangerous pass, driving (way) too fast, cutting someone off too quickly, tailgating, etc, etc, etc, and before I can tell the brand/model, I tell my wife "It's one of those again" (and I would also i…

I think that at least partially is because those cars drive so well. It just doesn’t feel like you’re going fast in them.

As an extreme example, anybody who has ever been in a Citroen 2CV knows that you wouldn’t do any of those [1] because of a) the noise and b) the fear.

[1] with the exception of tailgating of trucks. That’s [2] the only way to relatively comfortably do close to 100 km/hour in these.

[2] https://hubnut.org/2013/09/08/2cv-enjoy-the-silence/ also helps.

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