The last psychiatrist once wrote that women go where men are leaving. I don't know if this is true, but it seems to pop up in several areas.
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A generation of American men give up on college
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Pattern i observed: When a women settles with a partner and they are doing well financially, they start wanting to have kids. I blame instincts.
That's some great anecdata from you, I'm sure that it applies to the wants of all women everywhere, right?
I mean, wanting kids is surely something that evolution would select for.
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Women didn't and don't need well paying jobs to start a family. What "equal right" do you mean, that "equaled opportunities in the labor market and education"? Also you seem to miss on the fact that men get worse grades in school (which some say is because of discrimination), which makes it harder for them to enter university.
Why is it that you default to the idea that women want to start a family? It's a big ass cool world we have going on, and starting a family effectively ties you down from being able to explore it. Good grief.
That's not what their argument is about at all. Don't change the context to argue in bad faith.
Women don't have the same financial expectations as men do. This is true even today, despite all the push for equal pay and equal rights. Often, that's prior to even getting into a relationship. If you seek an indication, ask a bunch of guys if they would settle for a girl still living at home and then ask the inverse, both groups aged in their 20s.
Given how men are increasingly "giving up on society" because of these standards being harder to achieve every day, GP's argument isn't that improbable at all.
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#234A lot of this is driven by narratives—A narrative that college isn’t worth it anymore. A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. And a narrative that those men aren’t wanted by society any more. I’m not convinced that all those men need to go to college, but they clearly need something. They need to feel like they’re part of society. Nothing good can come of an entire gener…
I’m not convinced that all those men need to go to college, but they clearly need something.
This. We are seeing the results of what was reported in the book Boys Adrift.
My older son just graduated high school. He has no interest in college at the moment, and has shown a gift for working with his hands. He is currently doing a carpentry apprenticeship with an acquaintance that runs a renovation and design company. He loves the work, loves the people he works with[0], and comes home and wants to build more stuff. He's making pretty decent money as an 18 year old, and is part of something that very much embodied.
[0] His crew is run by Swedish woman who was trained as a metal worker, so it isn't just a bunch of dudes, which is also great.
Re: A generation of American men give up on college
#235A lot of this is driven by narratives—A narrative that college isn’t worth it anymore. A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. And a narrative that those men aren’t wanted by society any more. I’m not convinced that all those men need to go to college, but they clearly need something. They need to feel like they’re part of society. Nothing good can come of an entire gener…
"And a narrative that those men aren’t wanted by society any more."
Citation needed.
(Edit: I assume this is getting downvoted by men with self-esteem issues. There are ways you can work on that. Good luck).
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#236COVID has accelerated this big time. Why spend $5,000 a semester to watch a Zoom lecture from an average professor when you can open YouTube in a new tab and see a world-class professor share the same information for free? It makes no rational sense. The moment that a serious, legitimate credential system appears, every average university will disappear overnight. We'll be left with an oligarch class that attends the…
Because you don't pay for instruction, you pay for examination and certification.
I've heard the following described as the broadly tangible benefits, in no particular order. Will try find the source
- Education
- Certification
- Network
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#238The Boy Crisis by Warren Farrell covers this issue comprehensively. There are many beliefs and practices in our society that push boys and men out, especially in school.
If you read the article, I recommend at least the free preview from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Crisis-Boys-Struggling-About/dp/1...
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Because you don't pay for instruction, you pay for examination and certification.
You don't pay for instruction or certification you pay for signaling. A student from Arizona State can be more competent than one from Harvard. Who do you think is going to have more doors opened for them?
The Harvard certificate, yes.
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My brother in law is an electrician. I had enough EE in college to change a light switch without burning the house down. However, that book-learnin' fell apart when confronted with troubleshooting a strangely wired room, and I got very polite while asking him over to bail me out. These fellows eschewing the ivory tower, where being of European extraction and bearing a Y-chromosome on the college campus is an indictme…
EE programs tend to focus on electronics, not electrical systems. But learning how house wiring works is a simple book away. But be careful - unlike electronics, house electrics can kill you. On the other hand, electricians have weird gaps in their knowledge. If I ask them to do something slightly out of the ordinary, this becomes apparent. For example, none of them understand inductive coupling, or even know what it…
Don't you have codes and license requirements for electricians and roofers? In my country, most of what makes electricianing harder than electronicsing is the rules. There are rules about how close you can put mains and low voltage wires, which your guy should have followed even if he didn't know why, rules about what parts of the house you can fix them to, or if they can be laid loosely or must be stapled to the framing, the spacing between the staples, how to pull a wire through a hole, where you can drill holes for wires, using a wrong colored wire with a sleeve on the end, etc. All the understanding of electrical engineering in the world won't have you knowing those rules.