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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by matsemann »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #176
ben7799 wrote: post #147

We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…

I've found Docker Desktop to be equally awful with Windows. You'd think they'd care about giant swathes of the market like that.

Wish they fixed the issue where it uses all available RAM even when running no containers yet.

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Post by 41209 »

emptysongglass wrote: post #197
mfer wrote: post #61

Rancher Desktop is an open source container management and Kubernetes desktop app. https://rancherdesktop.io/ Disclosure: I work on Rancher Desktop. Feedback welcome.

You guys (by you guys I mean you and Docker, Inc) would do yourselves a huge favor not spiting the Linux devs who invented the technologies you build your tools on. Where's the Linux version? Give it to me in Snap, AppImage, Flatpak, deb, or rpm, whatever you want. Just offer something. We'll take care of the rest.

It’s open source, you could probably port it yourself.

I somewhat agree with your viewpoint, but given Windows 10 is generally just Windows 10 , OSX is OSX… But Linux could be anything from Redhat to Alpine to a raspberry pi , I understand why devs wouldn’t support it

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Post by yellowbkpk »

stevebmark wrote: post #214
qeternity wrote: post #130

So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…

What companies are offering $250k/year for engineers?

At least Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google, Microsoft.

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Post by andix »

qeternity wrote: post #130

So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…

From my experience: Yes, they may jeopardize it.

If docker and containerization is not yet widely used in the company, a lot of decisionmakers will not buy it, because they did fine without it for decades ;)

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Post by staysafeanon »

awestroke wrote: post #138
syshum wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a huge push in the community to switch away from docker anyway. The warning signs from the company have been there for awhile and there are several container engine's, systems, UI's and other management tools not built on docker. This will accelerate those programs

Can you link me to a single of those alternatives? It must be equally easy to use

Podman: https://podman.io/

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Post by cies »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #215
namdnay wrote: post #158

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That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…

I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…

> requires some juggling of licenses with associated turn-around times

This! I've always said that a bit reason for FLOSS to win over the internet server-side is because scaling fast and juggling livenses is just too hard. Especially with the prying eyes of Oracle/MSFT/etc's powerful legal teams and hidden "phone home" code.

Going with a LAMP stack was just to simplest way to keep moving at speed.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by Tarsul »

WhatsName wrote: post #185
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #157

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The places where I worked there's an inverse relationship - the smaller the cost, the harder it is to justify with finances. ($4000 monthly AWS bill for "testing purposes"? No questions asked. $10 wireless mouse? Mission impossible!)

In case you aren't aware, it's easy to explain by that fact that most finance departments are afraid to question your spendings on grounds of looking incompetent. So it's less about 10$ and more about: "I understand what a wireless mouse is and it doesn't look mission critical to me." "No idea what those items on that AWS bill mean, but I'll probably be better off not asking"

he, well said. It's basically the bike shed effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality

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Post by vesinisa »

TheDong wrote: post #206
deusex_ wrote: post #144

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But what minikube backend are you using for this? The preferred one is Docker and all the others are also paid on Mac.

> all the others are also paid on Mac Hyperkit is open source software that works on macOS. https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/drivers/hyperkit/ Virtualbox is also a free (as in beer, and mostly libre) driver that works on all of windows/linux/macOS

Wait, so you're running your app on virtualized Linux inside Docker inside Linux inside Virtualbox inside native MacOS?

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Post by amaranth »

devoutsalsa wrote: post #182
dharmab wrote: post #146

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WSL2 uses a full Linux VM running under HyperV.

WSL2 can get weird when you start trying to install software with low level virtualization and file system features. YMMV. I’d use it to install apps, but I wouldn’t be confident it’d work with Docker. Even if it did initially work, eventually you’ll hit a problem for which there is no googleable answer & good luck with that.

Docker Desktop installs dockerd in a WSL2 instance these days instead of using VirtualBox so I'd assume it works pretty well now.
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