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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by MatekCopatek »

dragonwriter wrote: post #220
germandiago wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

one of the first regulations that make sense: more free market. As long as there are regulators with a lot of power there will be incentive to corruption anyway. I like free competition. Something that Google and Apple were trying to prevent. But putting all in the hands of an ever-increasing state is not the way to go either. Though I gree with the decision.

> one of the first regulations that make sense: more free market State regulations dictating conditions to market participants cannot make something more “free market”. They can favor more competition by artificially limiting the advantage of the most successful competitors, but that's not “free market”, which is the absence of market distortion by state regulation, not the presence of only those market distortions t…

Well, depends on your definition of free market. Wiki says:

> In a free market, the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government or other authority, and from all forms of economic privilege, monopolies and artificial scarcities.

So while your remark about state regulations isn't wrong, the (grand)parent comment is clearly talking about the second part of this definition.

Whose freedom is the "free" bit about? Is it about Apple being free to do whatever they want with their platform or is it about me being free to buy iPhone apps from anyone?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by rndgermandude »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #118
rndgermandude wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple and Google won't know what developers using outside payment systems for purchases such as subscriptions or "in-app" stuff are making. So they'd have a problem deciding what a publishing fee should be. Monikers such as popularity can be bad estimators. They might end up charging developers a lot less or a lot more - the latter of which might ruin some developers or hike prices for customers even more. I am not a…

> Apple and Google won't know what developers using outside payment systems for purchases such as subscriptions or "in-app" stuff are making. Then again, why should Apple and Google charge fees for something they have no hand in? If they want to charge fees for distribution, they should just do that.

>Then again, why should Apple and Google charge fees for something they have no hand in?

Same reason as now: because they can and are in the money making business.

I'm not saying this is right, just that it is what it is. Google and Apple will not just forgo millions if not billions of "easy" dollars. My guess is that especially the big players, who make Google and Apple the most money, will switch to different payment processors with better terms for them as soon as that option becomes available to them.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by MR4D »

no_wizard wrote: post #229
dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #197

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I very much agree that this app stores market abuse thing needs to end, and I am also really glad to see that at least one country is responding like this. > a reasonable (single percentage) fee for facilitating payments. I want to point out, though, that the service Apple provides is not merely payment processing. They offer total customer management. Which, when integrated with their entire developer offering (Test…

I wonder if raising fees in the developer program would recoup some of the cost of doing at least some of these things. 99 dollars for an individual and 299 for a business if I recall correctly, that’s peanuts and hasn’t been raised in a very long time. I don’t think asking for more is bad, since it’s a yearly fixed cost

Asking for more will start to limit the number of developers who develop for their platform. Probably not the Microsoft's of the world, but tons of smaller ones.

For instance, if you raised the individual's fee to $500, then a bunch of people would opt out, either not developing iOS apps, or just make a web app. Neither of those are good solutions from Apple's point of view.

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Post by joshuaissac »

monkeywork wrote: post #181
ethbr0 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers (and users) deserve choice . If you want to pay 30% to Apple to take care of that for you, then you should be able to. If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right too. I've lived through both fragmented platforms and unified platforms, and I'll take the former any day. They're messy, but fair and dynamic. And critically, they evolve and allow new competition to emerge…

>If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right too. They have that right they can choose to not develop on Apples platform.

> They have that right they can choose to not develop on Apples platform.

The same argument also applies to Korea. Apple has the choice of allowing other payment systems, or they can choose not to sell in Korea.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by Despegar »

People who believed the propaganda about "charging 30% for payment processing" are in for a surprise when they pay Stripe's fees but then realize they're still on the hook for Apple/Google's commission. It will just be collected in a less efficient way.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by ren_engineer »

cletus wrote: post #209

Good. I've been saying this awhile, most notably when Apple (of course followed by Google) introduced a discount on commission for smaller developers. This is completely backwards. I know why they did it. They wanted some positive PR that didn't cost them anything. Thing is, it's the larger publishers who are going to lobby regulators and challenge things in court. It's those same publishers who already have their ow…

The tech giants simply flexed their power too hard during the last few years and now pretty much every country on earth realizes they are a threat to national security in various ways. They are getting sued, fined, or punished in almost every major country now and they deserve it honestly

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by wdb »

I am fine with them allowing other payment systems. As long its not OR OR so if apps start to avoid using the built-in payment solution of Apple and Google then I see it as a negative.

I can't think of needing to use like Paypal to pay for in-app purchases or something for app X and use stripe for app Y and use iDEAL for app Z. In those cases its better to avoid the app and that's even ignoring app developers getting your payment details.

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Post by [deleted] »

andjd wrote: post #226
cletus wrote: post #209

Good. I've been saying this awhile, most notably when Apple (of course followed by Google) introduced a discount on commission for smaller developers. This is completely backwards. I know why they did it. They wanted some positive PR that didn't cost them anything. Thing is, it's the larger publishers who are going to lobby regulators and challenge things in court. It's those same publishers who already have their ow…

Just wow. > Of course this should force them into binding arbitration and otherwise challenging the discount should void that discount. So you want apple and google to act as even more monopolistic bullies ... I see that you're taking this position as what you would do if you were Apple or Google, not what is the best course of action for all stakeholders. But you then opine that this is justified because the status…

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by hosh »

It makes sense since Samsung has its own payment infrastructure (Apple Pay, Google Pay, Samsung Pay). Although those are for retail payments for in-person purchases rather than app store purchases, I can also see South Korea not wanting to have foreign merchants controlling substantial markets, such as an app store.

Those laws probably apply to Samsung as well, if Samsung deploys its own app store.

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