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Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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Thanks for the feedback! Will make the change to the form so it covers your case. Regarding the login flow, would you use Google Sign-In if we had it?

No, I prefer email signups. I think you've just got too many "okay next" steps. Also, is account activation really necessary? Couldn't I just start using the app immediately and activate within X days?

So our login flow requires email login to authorise because we also allow you to sync your data across multiple devices (if you choose to do so).

It's true that the signup could be simpler but then I'd worry in the case that someone uses someone else's email, that the real owner of the email when logging in would get access to the original user's session if they chose to sync.

Maybe we could have a more complex solution given some time. Any ideas?

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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The problem is that the crew who reflexively post negative comments on Show/Launch HNs are mostly a loud (and smug) but unrepresentative minority with idiosyncratic tastes. Sure, you can learn something from any feedback, but most products would be made worse if the creators took these comments too much to heart, especially when it comes to pricing. That said, you can obviously get a lot of great feedback on HN too!…

Best cure for that is "treat others as you would want yourself to be treated". In this case I would really appreciate it if someone told me that my idea wasn't novel at all, sucked or that I was charging exorbitant fees for some minor improvement of my productivity. A lot of times in life, kindness doesn't look like kindness.

"In this case I would really appreciate it if someone told me that my idea wasn't novel at all, sucked or that I was charging exorbitant fees for some minor improvement of my productivity."

Ok, but if the reason you think something "sucks" is because of an uncommon opinion that you hold, like a good UI isn't important or worth paying extra for, then your comment isn't very helpful to the creator. It says much more about you than the product.

Similarly, most people in tech/knowledge work would not consider $15 per month for software that makes them more productive to be "exorbitant", and I think we all know that. If you feel that way, fine, but it's not relevant to the discussion.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#233

Interesting take on a problem that many startups are trying to solve from different angles. As everybody moves to web-based, cloud-native Saas tools, we're starting to run into the issue that browsers just aren't built for complex work in the same way MacOS/Windows are. As you can see already in the comments here, the most savvy, HN-type users have come up with a variety of convoluted and hacky solutions to this prob…

Solid break down. Is there a way to contact you?

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#234
While I'm glad to see someone experimenting with what browsers can be, I feel like this particular featureset is underwhelming.

- Tab groups – common in other browsers and extensions.

- Split screen - OS feature.

- Share integration – OS feature.

- Snoozing tabs, neat. My task list does this, but this is handy.

- Keyboard shortcuts, are they that much better than other browsers?

- Sync – how many people have multiple Macs? how many of those want to sync state between their personal life and work life? I don't.

- Doesn't sell data – typical for most browsers, usually funded by Google search (Chrome/Firefox/Safari).

- No ads – typical for most browsers.

I don't really know what the sell is here. Having slightly better keyboard shortcuts just isn't worth $15 a month. There are free browser extensions that do all of this, or if you want fancy tab management then something like Workona will do it for $7.

Browsers aren't perfect, but as a browser power user this solves none of my problems.

As for subscription pricing, I can understand that for a browser engine where staying up to date is critical to the web usability, but for a browser shell, it's a push, even with a good feature set.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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This really feels like it would have had a better time with a smaller "meet the batch" thread. Given that which startups get to be featured in one of those threads rather than a standalone thread is decided by dang, it almost feels like this thread was intentionally greenlit standalone to start a flamewar. The odds of that are slim, probably, but it seems impossible that anyone thought this was a good idea to give it…

Of course I didn't pick it to intentionally start a flamewar. The things you guys come up with!

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Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

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> Oh, and we don't sell your data > Wondering why browsers are usually free? There's a heavy implication here that most browser vendors sell your browsing data, but you don't state it outright because (aside from Chrome, arguably) I don't think it's actually true. Let's look at the others: - Edge is probably sending all kinds of invasive telemetry to Microsoft - Firefox is maybe(?) sending your email address to Pocke…

> Edge is probably sending all kinds of invasive telemetry to Microsoft

I think there's a useful distinction between product analytics, which might include basic details about web usage but likely in a privacy preserving way, and actual web history.

All of the browsers, Sigma OS included, are going to do product analytics. But I'm not sure that any are going to actually track web history. They'll track what web features you're using, and Chrome is known to track domains but I believe in a statistical way that doesn't give perfect info on who's using what. They all sync some state if you sign in, but that's a feature not analytics, if you trust them, and Sigma is no different here.

Apart from browsers like Brave selling ad space or dodgy Android browsers selling full web history, I'm not sure that any of the major players are actually doing anything fundamentally different to what Sigma is here. Firefox and Safari push the privacy side a little harder in their own ways, but are still roughly equivalent I think.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#237

It looks awesome! My main 2 concerns would be : 1. Performance If it is slow, or a memory hog, like many browser before, that would definitely be a major issue. 2. Privacy It's 2021, claiming privacy won't cut it anymore. We know the drill. Do you have have a way to ensure you have no visibility of what people browse? Because else, I am sure you'd become an interesting target for various groups who need or want this…

Thanks! Performance: We use WebKit for the actual pages, so similar to Safari in speed and memory usage (much better than Chrome), and our UX should be pretty fast (we did a performance update right before this launch!) Privacy: The app obviously knows what pages are on it since it's loading them. Our server doesn't have any of that data unless you choose to upload it for cloud syncing. That data is encrypted so shou…

Using Azure AppCenter and its analytics SDK isn't ideal from a privacy perspective. I think it's reasonable for product development, but if you want to sell based on privacy I think it would need to go.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#238
What engine is this a skin for?

If they built their own engine from scratch I can see the $15 being worth it just to encourage more competition and innovation.

SigmaOS is certainly an ambitious name. At present it does not make much sense to me, but down the line it might.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#239
Why did you choose to feature ~100% non-work distractions in your demo video? Reverse psychology? Hahaha.

Nevertheless I am intrigued :-) I always use Chrome Omnibar to navigate to bookmarks/history. I wish it could show me the bookmark 1st, but I usually just to the right suggestion.

Re: Launch HN: SigmaOS (YC S21) – A MacOS web browser designed for faster work

#240

Why did you choose to feature ~100% non-work distractions in your demo video? Reverse psychology? Hahaha. Nevertheless I am intrigued :-) I always use Chrome Omnibar to navigate to bookmarks/history. I wish it could show me the bookmark 1st, but I usually just to the right suggestion.

Are there no settings for this? I'm pretty sure firefox does (at least the previous version did)
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