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Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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It seem that this company is doing more of the middleware and higher level interfaces/adding intelligence to industrial robots than they are trying to build their own robots (Google tried that at least 3 times and failed). Anecdotally, I've heard that FANUCs don't respond well at all to any input deviation.

That's similar to the way you could say the founder's startup Moonfruit which launched back in 2000 was more about producing Flash SWF files than websites. Maybe the model has some traction for a group of people who find that sort of help applicable or not harmful to their own business model.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those have gotten way worse. It’s an SEO thing right?

It's viewed as a DRM measure. Recipes are not copyrightable unless they are attached to a story. It's probably an urban legend, but can't blame poor food bloggers from acting on it.

I have to think part of it is also the pay structure of food bloggers being paid by the word.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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I really dislike this writing structure of "before I get to the point, let me tell you a story about my life" Edit: I'm not alone, https://style.mla.org/dont-bury-the-lede/

I didnt read the article.I wont read the comments. But I will spend time telling you "yupp"... theres some izsue here other than your comment.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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I really dislike this writing structure of "before I get to the point, let me tell you a story about my life" Edit: I'm not alone, https://style.mla.org/dont-bury-the-lede/

You will not be a fan of recipe blogs anywhere on the internet.

Boy oh boy do I have the recipe for you!

http://slimsag.com/best-apache-chef-recipe/1438731.htm

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's viewed as a DRM measure. Recipes are not copyrightable unless they are attached to a story. It's probably an urban legend, but can't blame poor food bloggers from acting on it.

It's not an urban legend in the United States: ==== Based on this reasoning, the United States Copyright Office Compendium, the Office’s manual for examiners, states that a mere listing of ingredients or contents is not copyrightable, as lists are not protected by copyright law (chapter 314.4(F)). The Office has also stated that a “simple set of directions” is uncopyrightable. In addition, courts have found that reci…

I would have thought the same reasoning would apply to software. I'm curious about how reasoning differs in that case.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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post #148

I’m “unlocking” that this will be dead within 18 months. It will get too hard and bored engineers will head back to Google Corp where the promotion game is better. I’m in manufacturing. Machinery is highly specialised. Making a generic robot without taking up huge amount of floor space and/or huge leaps in programming is like… Kubernetes being good for hosting your moms book club blog.

I'll remind myself in 2 years to see the state of this

Given that this is Google, my money is on them either abandoning it, or making a new version every 2-3 years (for no discernable reason) making no actual progress as a result.

I would LOVE to be proven wrong, but Google's track record with bringing products to market, and actually keeping them for longer than a media boost, is downright depressing.

At some point it feels like every Google side project is just a media buy for their real business: hiring engineers to drive more ad revenue, engineers who are enticed by shiny projects like these.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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I used to work a bit with industrial robots and I found the biggest issue wasn't a lack of innovative technology but how hard it was to access: Everything was an expensive "option", the programming languages and tools were dinosaurs, and documentation was treated like some kind of sacred text, only for the eyes of the exalted.

Maybe with a "software" approach to this we'll see better and more open tools.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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post #148

I’m “unlocking” that this will be dead within 18 months. It will get too hard and bored engineers will head back to Google Corp where the promotion game is better. I’m in manufacturing. Machinery is highly specialised. Making a generic robot without taking up huge amount of floor space and/or huge leaps in programming is like… Kubernetes being good for hosting your moms book club blog.

Totally agree with that. There are ways to do it, but the approach they show is doomed to fail. Arrival had excellent ideas and kind of working products but if nobody injects money in them they are done pretty soon.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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Makes sense. The end state appears to be that humans should only be supervising ML that generates goal and outcome based behaviors for robots, and the machines will construct tools to solve problems themselves. The leap from an AI model learning how to replicate a behaviour (e.g. evolving walking to solve problems https://unitylist.com/p/2id/walking-ai ) to reasoning about it in terms of actuators and physical feedba…

https://www.mujin.co.jp/en/ This is not manual or bespoke and it has sensors. The videos are incredible and they work in real life already. This one is it moving petri dishes full of liquid without spilling! This is obviously not being pre-programmed to move along some kind of 1980s style fixed paths for welding parts as Alphabet apparently thinks everyone is still doing. The obliviousness of suggesting that using ML…

Look at how 5+axis CNC machines work now they are pretty impressive as well.
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