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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by qudat »

spamizbad wrote: post #129
jwilber wrote: post #40

As this topic becomes more and more mainstream, I look forward to the numerous Twitter posts sure to come from Airbnb employees about the taxing social implications that come with working at Airbnb, how it weighs on their conscious, and and their ultimate decision to follow what’s right and leave. But only after their RSU’s have vested, of course. More seriously, I’ve been very disappointed with Airbnb recently. I sp…

I wouldn't mind the cleaning fees if it wasn't for the fact that of the 3 AirBnBs I've stayed in, 2 of them were not terribly clean despite the host charging a $200 cleaning fee for what was essentially a small 2 bedroom apartment with kitchenette. I have a suspicion this fee is just pocketed by hosts who just wipe down the kitchen/bathroom, give the toilet and shower a quick clean, change the linens, and then give t…

And aren’t cleaning fees not representing in that daily rate when viewing the the listings? It’s a way to get a lower daily rate but when the total rings it’s now higher than other listings.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by Spivak »

ardit33 wrote: post #81
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Well, you could include Craigslist in that, everything under the sun. AirBnb/VRBO/Boooking.com all have their use. The problem is when people rent/sublet their apt. in buildings that don't allow it, and cause nuisance to all. Buildings should be able to opt out, and airbnb should respect it, and ban users that misuse it. But, i bet, in the name of profit, things get overlooked. Anyways, if Airbnb is banned in a city,…

> Buildings should be able to opt out, and airbnb should respect it, and ban users that misuse it.

I think this is the part that kinda irks me though. Why would any building, township, city ever opt-in? You're specifically asking the people who have every incentive to say no while completely ignoring the renters and tenants who actually benefit from the transaction.

If you only ask the people who own property near where the city wants to build a new highway color me surprised when it's a resounding no.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by devoutsalsa »

ardit33 wrote: post #81
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Well, you could include Craigslist in that, everything under the sun. AirBnb/VRBO/Boooking.com all have their use. The problem is when people rent/sublet their apt. in buildings that don't allow it, and cause nuisance to all. Buildings should be able to opt out, and airbnb should respect it, and ban users that misuse it. But, i bet, in the name of profit, things get overlooked. Anyways, if Airbnb is banned in a city,…

I wonder he w many people are renting out their Airbnb’s on Airbnb.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by michaelmrose »

908B64B197 wrote: post #163
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem. The solution is increased enforcement of the laws that make these illegal. The incentives aren't difficult: Create an anonymous tip line to report illegal AirBnB operations that violate zoning regulations. Have submitters provide the street address and URL of the AirBnB to make it easy. The person operating the AirBnB (or owner of the house…

"Illegal Hotels" This always makes me laugh. A lot of hotel regulation was written with fire safety in mind (large building with a lot of small rooms in it and a high number of occupants). But AirBnBs... are just regular apartments so they don't break the fire safety rules (if the appartment is zoned for two occupants, really you aren't breaking any laws by housing two guests). The rest is simply NIMBY and cities try…

Allowing landlords to buy up housing supply to rent by the day drives up prices for the 90% who need a house to live in them not profit from them. It's disadvagous for society to allow it. Society doesn't have to let you live your life at everyone else's expense. If I had to guess the down votes are either for lack of awareness, facile dismissal, supreme self confidence not matched by good grasp of the topic or the often unpopular complaining about down votes.

The number one rule of down vote club is don't talk about down vote club.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by michaelmrose »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #70
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Twice I've booked airbnb's in buildings where it was not allowed, and I didn't find out until picking up the keys. It's incredibly frustrating (one of building had concierge who gave us hard time). Next time, I'll just go with a traditional hotel to avoid the stress. Both times, I saw other groups of people with luggage coming in and out. So it likely was impacting multiple units in both buildings.

Report em it's not illegal to stay at an illegal hotel.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by sudosysgen »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #190
andrepd wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a mantra often repeated on hn when anythig related to housing comes up, but is it true? Many cities around the world have experienced the airbnb effect or similar: demand from tourists which can pay better means higher demand and lower supply as houses are converted into tourism accommodation. This is also also the mechanism of gentrification in general, so it's not just tourism.

Most AirBNBs - like most rentals - in desirable places are actually heavily cash-flow negative. This only works because you can count on the Fed constantly lowering interest rates and pumping up your investment on 5:1 leverage.

Nominally cash flow negative doesn't mean shit. For starters many people own the property outright, making it cash flow positive, and beyond that what matters is your change of equity.

If you start with 50 000$ then loan against 30 000$ of that, but your equity increases by 70 000$ as you make payments, and then sell the house at the same price, you're still up 40 000$, even though your cash flow was -30 000$.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by [deleted] »

simfree wrote: post #209
kelnos wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The person submitting the tip about an illegal AirBnB receives 25% of the fine. I feel like the whole "rat on your neighbors for money" thing has a lot of negative unintended consequences.

This good samaritan compensation model works well in New York to catch illicitly idling commercial vehicles. How are illicit short term rentals significantly different?

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by michaelmrose »

enjo wrote: post #222
dougSF70 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am generally against airbnb as it induces rent-seeking behavior. This is bad for the economy because you are not adding value (in an economic sense). Plus the added dis benefits if increasing rent, reducing housing supply, etc. Ultimately it is a product of cheap money and as soon as the money is no longer cheap, it will be detrimental to airbnb. Sadly, the pandemic has increased our government's addiction to print…

Does a hotel not add economic value?

Most places have enough hotel capacity except for very special occasions meaning it mostly shifts value.

To an extent it has an effect it mostly decreases average cost of staying while increasing cost of actually living there almost like vacuuming money out the pockets of residents to give to Airbnb and tourists.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by Spivak »

colechristensen wrote: post #198
dionidium wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve rented many apartments and I perceive the transaction to have been mutually beneficial in every case.

Did you believe it was a fair price? As though the amount of work you were doing and the quality of it matched the amount of "work" you were paying for?

Not the parent but yes? I mean I basically don't even bother with hotels anymore when I travel. My experience with Airbnb's and the like has been consistently better. You get a whole apartment or house, it's cheaper, the person renting actually gives a shit about the experience, you get appliances, a real kitchen, not shitty Wi-Fi, drinks and snacks that aren't $7 charged to the room.

Like it's hard to argue it's not a fair price when it's better and cheaper than the alternatives.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by michaelmrose »

Spivak wrote: post #232
ardit33 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you could include Craigslist in that, everything under the sun. AirBnb/VRBO/Boooking.com all have their use. The problem is when people rent/sublet their apt. in buildings that don't allow it, and cause nuisance to all. Buildings should be able to opt out, and airbnb should respect it, and ban users that misuse it. But, i bet, in the name of profit, things get overlooked. Anyways, if Airbnb is banned in a city,…

> Buildings should be able to opt out, and airbnb should respect it, and ban users that misuse it. I think this is the part that kinda irks me though. Why would any building, township, city ever opt-in? You're specifically asking the people who have every incentive to say no while completely ignoring the renters and tenants who actually benefit from the transaction. If you only ask the people who own property near wh…

Airbnb is a net negative to most of the population unlike housing or a freeway
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