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Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by nerpderp82 »

hallarempt wrote: post #148
iNane9000 wrote: post #93

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How do I find these movies? Amazon has some old, mostly low quality movies, but nothing good or recent. They got rid of the criterion collection years ago. Sincere question: How does one even find or acquire films today? I’d love to watch a movie, but literally don’t know how to go about it anymore. Netflix is not an answer as most of their content are not movies and basically spam to me.

My wife and I used to buy a DVD in the second-hand books/new dvd's shop round the corner every Friday for a Friday-night movie viewing. He knew our tastes -- it must be sweet, funny with a happy ending and no adultery or rape -- but the shop closed. We regularly ask each other "Where's Roman Holiday but with a cute girl instead of Gregory Peck. Audrey Hepburn can stay."? Why all the drama in movies these days? We jus…

> Why isn't there yet a Poser or Daz3D/Blender/MakeHuman/$GAME_ENGINE that combined makes it easy for people to tell tales as movies yet?

This is happening right now and it is mostly an update of the film techniques used in schlock, b films, but the results are much better.

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Post by zambal »

zo1 wrote: post #174
watwut wrote: post #124

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I remember seeing indie comedies and horrors. I dont think indy implies serious, altrough there are also sad indie movies. > . If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. I dont think this is true either. The industry producing formulaic is not because it is only way to have fun. If you look at series that came out lately (Money Heist, Westworld ... ) they are not formulaic and a…

Take this with a grain of salt and bias on my part. But indie movies from my perspective seem to be stuck on the "weird". They have to be "weird" (or "different") otherwise they're not "indie" but rather low-budget "b-movies" that I think everyone despises to some degree. Unless of course they end up being a hit in which case they're cult-classics.

Interesting observation! I think it's the same with music. I love all kinds of music, from the very weird/experimental to big budget larger than life sounding mainstream productions. Being also a bedroom music producer with limited time, I would love to match these big budget productions, but I don't have the ability to get to that level. So instead of trying to make a weak imitation, it's more fun and rewarding to create something different or weird.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by ping_pong »

afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

When was the last great comedy movie you've seen in the movie theatres? I posed this question to my buddies and we were genuinely stumped. For me it was probably early 2000s, but nothing in the last 15 years that's for sure.

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Post by ping_pong »

edgyquant wrote: post #78
klodolph wrote: post #20

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TV shows have also gotten more prestigious, and so the people who would have been telling their stories as movies may be making TV shows instead. The article compares traditional movies to movies from streaming services, and I just think that’s avoiding the elephant in the room. The change started happening slowly in the late 1990s, but at this point I’d say that the change has happened and we’re in a golden age of t…

I think Breaking Bad really set the stage for TV shows being good film. Whether you like the show or not it had a clear and defined story and ended after 5 seasons where most shows before would just run until their ratings dropped.

Better Call Saul at its best is as good, if not better, than 99% of Breaking Bad. Of course, the best episodes of BB are among the best in TV history.

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Post by coolspot »

ping_pong wrote: post #233
afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

When was the last great comedy movie you've seen in the movie theatres? I posed this question to my buddies and we were genuinely stumped. For me it was probably early 2000s, but nothing in the last 15 years that's for sure.

“Parasite”, right before COVID.

Earlier - “Nice Guys”.

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Post by ant6n »

david927 wrote: post #207
roland35 wrote: post #142

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I took the liberty of overlaying the stock price over the foot traffic :) https://imgur.com/a/jTkXhtx

Of course it looks strange -- the stock price reflects a short squeeze on naked shorts, not value or growth.

I thought the short squeeze was in jan/feb, what’s that late spring jump?

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Post by mdoms »

What's ruining cinema is the utter dreck that most people are gagging to watch. I look at my local cinema today and every single movie, save for The Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard, is either lazy nostalgia bait, generic marvel film #4715, yet another sequel to a summer blockbuster franchise or a kid's movie. And you people just eat this garbage up.

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Post by ping_pong »

at_a_remove wrote: post #85
afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

I soured on the superhero franchise business due to a combination of factors (the out of character Man of Steel , that first boilerplate Thor film, the ghastly Green Lantern , and finally reading Worm made everything else seem shallow by comparison) and have stepped back to look at it as an industry in a kind of spiral of intolerance to risk. They want product, they want it on a pipeline, they want guaranteed returns…

> they want guaranteed returns and they do not want to gamble about it

This is how Hollywood is. It's the same as Silicon Valley. They don't want to gamble if they don't have to, they both just want as much money as possible.

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Post by gregsadetsky »

tolbish wrote: post #205
gregsadetsky wrote: post #157

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There was a flagged submission about a year ago about them https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22704138 I’ll go on a limb and say that apps don’t even have to integrate Placer’s sdk directly. If an app uses any monetization/tracking/ad tracking system, that tracking vendor may collect the geo data and then re-sell it to Placer (i.e. talk to Placer via a server to server API to let them know about the end user)

How much geo data can they obtain if my location is disabled for almost all of my apps?

1) A device's location can be guessed with your IP address at the very least.

2) Wifi networks.

On iOS, I'm almost sure that apps cannot access the list of wifi networks that the device sees. As you may know, the list of wifi access point MAC addresses can be used to triangulate a device's geolocation (there was a related case with Google Streets View cars gobbling up that info[0])

On Android, wifi network MAC addresses may be available to apps? Is there a special permission that apps need from the user?

[0] https://www.wired.com/2012/05/google-wifi-fcc-investigation/

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Post by paganel »

vo2maxer wrote: post #122
iNane9000 wrote: post #93

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How do I find these movies? Amazon has some old, mostly low quality movies, but nothing good or recent. They got rid of the criterion collection years ago. Sincere question: How does one even find or acquire films today? I’d love to watch a movie, but literally don’t know how to go about it anymore. Netflix is not an answer as most of their content are not movies and basically spam to me.

In addition to the criterion channel, already mentioned, try MUBI [1]. It’s a cinephile’s dream: a film discovery nearly everyday while also curating the great directors. [1] https://mubi.com/

+1 for MUBI, really great cinephile resource.

One can also find very interesting stuff on YouTube, depending on how good your search skills are, I know that at the start of the pandemic I had discovered a user who was uploading Italian western spaghetti movies in HD format. I think I might also have found something similar for Hong Kong wuxia movies from the 1960s and 1970s but I'm not sure.

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