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Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by kgin »

dadver wrote: post #122
f02a wrote: post #103

Just a reminder that Fermi's paradox is no longer a paradox if "they" are already here. ;-) I'm not saying there are little green men in these unidentified aircraft, but if you were part of an interstellar civilization in this galaxy, and you identified there was a life-supporting planet a few light years away, you'd send probes there for sure... wouldn't you? We certainly would, if we had the means.

I don't think anthropomorphizing aliens is a good way to speculate on how they possibly would behave. I really don't have a better system, but I see this tendency in alot of discussions about 'them'. (Disclaimer: I usually play as isolationist in Stellaris)

It’s not a good way, but most of the other ways are even worse.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by kgin »

amerine wrote: post #7

> Some UAP observations could be attributable to developments and classified programs by U.S. entities. We were unable to confirm, however, that these systems accounted for any of the UAP reports we collected. Seems like a convenient place to hide some cool planes.

It is seems unlikely that U.S. super secret military programs would test their super secret aircraft in spaces where non-secret military programs perform scheduled and easily avoidable training and drills.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by kgin »

wydfre wrote: post #49

The best quote I've got on UFOs is from Leroy Chiao, a former ISS commander. "Probably some sort of secret military program" [0]. Cannot find original on youtube any longer. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1eWnHHMrck&t=30s

Seems curious that a secret military program would choose to fly their super secret aircraft in airspace where the usual, non-secret military was known to be performing scheduled and easily avoidable training exercises.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by rapjr9 »

Note that the first thing this report does is throw away 20 years of data, it summarizes only data from the last two years because only that data was standardized. It also ignores data from some types of observers they consider less reliable including FAA data. So as a summary of all that is known about UAP observations this report is severely lacking. The complete lack of data to accompany the report also severely compromises the report. It reads like an exercise in data exclusion to make writing the report trivial. If I was a senator who asked for this report I'd be really upset with the quality of it.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by marc_io »

user-the-name wrote: post #221
marc_io wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a pretty meticulous review of the second video out there — the raw vídeo was available online for some time — that proves it's neither bug nor CGI. I haven't found any analysis of the first one though, it could be CGI but it doesn't seem to be an actual bug.

It's a bug, dude, come on. It's pretty obvious.

It could be CGI, but an actual bug? Not at all if you analyse the vídeo closely.

The “bug” appears several miles away, following the mountains, and crosses the camera in just a second. That's not a real real bug.

But lets try again: watch all of the following:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4tDSbqa8tyOLSOhF82YkiP7u...

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by skinkestek »

user-the-name wrote: post #229
skinkestek wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't seem like the first camera is moving much, or does it and I don't notice?

Look at 0:21. If you pick a point at the bottom of the screen, you can see how fast the drone is moving relative to the buildings. It's going quite fast.

I looked at that and then continued watching:

At the point where the object passes the camera platform is moving right to left while the approaching object is moving far to near and right-to-left.

Note: I'm not saying it is or isn't a natural phenomena or is or isn't a hoax, only that I think the first one probably isn't an insect.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by user-the-name »

marc_io wrote: post #235
user-the-name wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bug, dude, come on. It's pretty obvious.

It could be CGI, but an actual bug? Not at all if you analyse the vídeo closely. The “bug” appears several miles away, following the mountains, and crosses the camera in just a second. That's not a real real bug. But lets try again: watch all of the following: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4tDSbqa8tyOLSOhF82YkiP7u...

You do most definitely not have a single piece of data that tells you that it appears "several miles away". It does not. It appears a few tens of meters away, at the very most.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by user-the-name »

skinkestek wrote: post #236
user-the-name wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at 0:21. If you pick a point at the bottom of the screen, you can see how fast the drone is moving relative to the buildings. It's going quite fast.

I looked at that and then continued watching: At the point where the object passes the camera platform is moving right to left while the approaching object is moving far to near and right-to-left. Note: I'm not saying it is or isn't a natural phenomena or is or isn't a hoax, only that I think the first one probably isn't an insect.

The bug is flying in one direction, the drone in another.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by codezero »

shdh wrote: post #164
codezero wrote: post #84

I’m surprised nobody has suggested that these phenomenon could be an advanced electronic interference platform and that they may be able to interfere with the computing systems of multiple remote sensing systems at once.

Doesn't explain visual confirmation by pilots.

Easily explained by most people being unreliable witnesses, even professionals. Especially if all their instruments are telling them one thing.

Re: Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena

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Post by f02a »

nojokes wrote: post #230
f02a wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, for one, 100% believe that at least some of this is advanced, non-human tech. Trying to convince HN about the "why" is at best problematic. I could give evidence from my own observations and experiences, but they would be easily dismissed due to lack of evidence. I'll just say that we, as humans, do not fully understand how consciousness works. I'm certain that there are others in this galaxy who do, and I have pe…

Was this a conscious contact? Would be interesting to read about this experience.

Since this is the HN crowd, I'll explain it this way: if you assume your brain is a biological machine, what if you could decipher its firmware and hack into it? What if you could remotely exploit it and take over its sensory inputs? It's hard to say if a contact is "conscious" or not because "they" seem to have the power to exploit and control it, to communicate by sending symbolic language and imagery.

Contact is difficult to explain to this crowd; when I turn the tables and imagine someone explaining their experience to me, it would sound like something indistinguishable from magic. Something so unbelievable that you would immediately discount it and look for alternate explanations, or question the person's sanity.

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