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Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

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Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

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post #127

Regenerative braking is so neat. I drove up a steep windy road to go on a hike with my plugin hybrid. On the way down I tried to let gravity do all of the acceleration and regenerative braking do all of the deceleration. At the bottom of the hill I had racked up +3 miles in total. Another fringe benefit is that brake pads wear out slower and produce less pollution.

You can get this sort of benefit with a gas car with a manual transmission too. Engine braking uses no gas, its just your wheels turning your pistons and the friction from all of that slows the car down. Most of the time I only hit the brakes to go from 5mph-0mph in a manual car thanks to this.

Most mechanics will quip "Remember, brake pad replacement is a lot cheaper than a transmission replacement".

Don't over do it.

Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

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post #210

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> This is commonly called power braking, usually called up in an emergency. I've never heard it called power braking, always engine braking or j-braking. It isn't just useful in emergencies but also in steep descents with heavy loads to make sure your brakes stay cool enough to be useful. It may be obvious, but the other technique that really helps keep your brakes cool is descending more slowly.

Also known as "jake braking". It's useful if you're a dump-truck driver who thinks midtown Manhattan is too quiet.

Jake Brake is engine braking, its really similar but not the same. Theres a difference between the kind of power braking/engine braking that a car does and a commercial truck.

I typed a lot about this elsewhere, but essentially trucks have crappy brakes because of reasons (thermal ones, in large part) and as a result, in order to gather enough brake performance to not be extremely hazardous, they often must apply their engine brakes/jake brake/engine compression release brake in order to safely navigate with their loads in normal traffic or an emergency braking scenario (such as being cut off in midtown by some a-hole).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compression_release_engine_bra...

Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

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I don't think you have much losses in the transfer, the strap is probably efficient. Although they would be extra so you are correct.

GP almost certainly meant losses in the transfer from mechanical energy to chemical energy by way of the cars motors being used as generators, then charging the batteries.

Don't forget the double loss from sending the rotational energy to the ground and back.

Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

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Just a little conjecture here, but i find the whole experiment fascinating. A tesla model S is around 5000 pounds. not the lightest car on the road by any standard...but towing it behind a consumer Ford F150 will drag the mileage of the truck to 14MPG. not too shabby compared to your long-haul tractor trailers that get about 6...but thats the free rolling weight of the vehicle, not its weight with regenerative brakin…

>A Tesla model S is around 5000 pounds

A whole host of 90s pickups are ~5000lb depending on how they're spec'd out.

The Model S is fat. But so are a lot of other modern cars so whatever. 5k isn't that much at the end of the day though. Perfectly within the bounds of what a scrapper or farmer will tow with a compact truck.

>not too shabby compared to your long-haul tractor trailers that get about 6

Heavy trucks punch an 8'6" by 13'6" hole in the air. The comparison is comical.

Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

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post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is commonly called power braking, usually called up in an emergency. I've never heard it called power braking, always engine braking or j-braking. It isn't just useful in emergencies but also in steep descents with heavy loads to make sure your brakes stay cool enough to be useful. It may be obvious, but the other technique that really helps keep your brakes cool is descending more slowly.

Also known as "jake braking". It's useful if you're a dump-truck driver who thinks midtown Manhattan is too quiet.

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Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

#237
post #120

This seems like an interesting solution to the "what to do if my battery runs out in the middle of nowhere" problem. Normally, you'd either have to have to call a tow truck or have someone with a generator come along and recharge. However, towing for awhile (probably at much less than 70 mph for safety reasons) to recharge the battery enough to get to the next town is something that could presumably be done by just a…

It probably means you need to get someone to tow you halfway to a town. But there isn't that much advantage over towing you all the way to a power outlet. And once you are asking strangers for help, just toe you to a residence that is happy to power you up.

The residence won't charge anywhere near as quickly as this, though.

Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

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500W is a lot, it is hypothetically enough to move 10 liters of water 50 meters up every second. A motor on a cycle an electric bike is 250w. A kitchen tap provides like what, 0.2 liters per second?

So in an hour that's 36000L of water pumped up into the hypotheticals 1 million gallon tank. Right on the three orders of magnitude short that a previous commenter pointed out.

Sounds like they confused W and kW then?

Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

#239
post #3

You have to pull it forward instead of backward but beside that it is not too different from a wind-up car, don't you think? Teslas do not support car-to-car charge transfer for a situation like this, do they? Nice to know that this actually works though.

Charging stations should be giant hands that pull the car backwards!

Then pinch the wheels and do it again and again until an unholy grating sound comes from under the vehicle.

Re: Towing a Tesla at 70 MPH replenishes battery at fast charger rates

#240
post #68

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Teslas will switch to friction brakes when regeneration limits (peak current or battery SOC) are exceeded. I’ve sustained constant 50kw regen while downhill through Appalachia passes, no issues, with the caveat that regen current is limited if the pack is cold until it approaches operating temperature (yellow dashed lines on the regen current display indicate your reduced regen capability).

Teslas have no resistor banks? A great omission.

It isn't worth the complexity for the rare cases when it might be useful. Even if you live at the top of a mountain, the easier solution is to just not charge to 100% to account for your "free" energy gains when leaving.
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