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The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I love my Remarkable 2 but I will say their customer service experience was pathetic.

When I received my Remarkable 2 I had an issue with the WiFi card as it would connect and then after syncing once it would disconnect and required a restart to get it working again. So I emailed support to discuss a replacement. The support had me adjust MY router to specific channels so that the WiFi card could work (the only device I've had to do this for, and I have my channels tuned to not interfere with the neighbors). The problem persisted for the first few months I had the device and after I made the adjustments. I even offered to use my software engineering skills to help diagnose this issue on the device.

Worse still, the customer support agent stopped responding to my emails. I don't know if there was a software update that fixed this issue, but the way the customer support black balled me and gave up, I will probably not buy another device from them again, especially if there are similar devices on the market.

Why? I tried to support this company by preordering and go through the proper channels and it lead me to a place where a customer support agent decided my questions and time were better shoved into the abyss rather than address my concerns. That doesn't happen from a customer support agent actions, but rather how management and C-suite trains customer support agents.

I've actually been saving the emails from companies that do this to me. Anyone know somewhere I can report and share my poor experiences with companies (ex BBB)?

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I long hated writing, and like you only wrote in block capitals, until I decided to re-learn to write cursive. Mostly I wanted to be able to write sweet paper notes to my lovers that didn't look like a 5th grader wrote them. I've found that when the process is approached as art, maybe even meditation, it's far more pleasurable than an act simply meant to record words on paper.

Can you share any resources you used to learn and improve your writing? My love letters can always be better.

I've done it twice in my adult life. The first time, I was unhappy with my block capitals, and looked up the letter form references for architectural block lettering, and spend a few hours over a week or so just practicing letter forms. I, in a very literal way, installed a font in meatspace :)

Cursive I think is really more just about getting a feel for the flow of script. There are some technical aspects, like the letter forms themselves, and the rules of joining them -- not all letters in a word can or should be joined, which is obvious to long-time cursive users but was not to me!

But mostly it comes down to knowing the letter forms, and then just using cursive. Write a dear friend a sweet note. Write a couple pages in your diary on occasion. Your forms will become clearer and will flow better with practice. Embellish! Draw huge risers and tails on your letters and pretend you're writing in elvish or something. haha.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I bought the Onyx Boox Note Air some months ago, and I must say that I'm really happy with it. Screen refresh is good, there's almost no ghosting in default mode, and refresh rates are acceptable. There are only two downsides about it: The vendor does not respect FOSS and does not publish the sources for their modified Linux kernel, and the device constantly phones home to China. However, the device can be rooted eas…

I don’t like the software on my Onyx boox. It’s over engineered with too many options often not intuitive. Unless you opt in for their cloud service syncing sucks. I still can’t figure out how to access documents from Dropbox and edit them and sync it back.

Try Dropsync [1], you can sync particular folders to your Drobpox. The sync is bidirectional. There is a similar app for Google Drive as well.

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dr...

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I love my Remarkable 2 but I will say their customer service experience was pathetic. When I received my Remarkable 2 I had an issue with the WiFi card as it would connect and then after syncing once it would disconnect and required a restart to get it working again. So I emailed support to discuss a replacement. The support had me adjust MY router to specific channels so that the WiFi card could work (the only devic…

Their CS seems to have improved a lot in the last few months and there is now an accompanying survey at the end of each interaction (ime) so if you still have your device, I would ask you to retry. Also, consider joining the Discord/Matrix/Reddit forums for the device if you like - someone might be able to help you anyways.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I love my Remarkable 2 but I will say their customer service experience was pathetic. When I received my Remarkable 2 I had an issue with the WiFi card as it would connect and then after syncing once it would disconnect and required a restart to get it working again. So I emailed support to discuss a replacement. The support had me adjust MY router to specific channels so that the WiFi card could work (the only devic…

Their CS seems to have improved a lot in the last few months and there is now an accompanying survey at the end of each interaction (ime) so if you still have your device, I would ask you to retry. Also, consider joining the Discord/Matrix/Reddit forums for the device if you like - someone might be able to help you anyways.

The problem has been fixed by a software update or some change I did not perform. If a company wants me to use a chat service or forum to solve my problem, they should direct me there and/or maintain that service. I contacted them directly to their support service, which should be trained to deal with questions, not push them into the abyss. While I appreciate your feedback I think it's a band-aid to the problem.

There's nothing wrong with saying:

"We have found that your problem is common and are working on a solution. We will reach out in a few weeks once this has been resolved."

Then the company can gather like problems and triage for later resolution.

I mean really sometimes it seems like companies act like support is a mystery and they have the first buggy product ever on the market.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I bought a Remarkable 2 a month or two ago because I wanted a cool hackable e-ink Linux computer. But instead I immediately started using it as an e-book and document reader and note-taking pad, and nothing else. And, so far at least, that's perfect. The screen is beautiful (a bit gray, but the black is really black so the contrast is still good), the device is thin and reasonably light, I only have to charge it once…

I have been looking at the Remarkable 2 and other devices in the category. My use case is taking notes on CS and maths, which both often require diagrams and other drawings. Can you speak to how well it works for something like this and how it compares to note-taking with a pen and paper?

I have a ReMarkable 2 as well, and there are zero drawing tools or alike, if you want some graphical object, you just draw it.

You have a multitude of background-guides (lines, grids, etc.) for easier aligning.

The only features you have that you don't get with pen&paper are a layer system and a select tool which you can use for copy/paste/cut or move parts around.

Page management is pretty basic, but ok. You have notebooks which are folders of pages and you can change their order.

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Can I ask two questions please? First, what don't you like about it now that you've used it for a while? Second, are you sharing data to and fro with a GNU/Linux desktop/laptop (if to is the workflow comfortable) or is it primarily a reader and note taker that generates notes that are sent one-way back to your computer?

My biggest dislike is the storage: my ebook collection is closer to 20GB and I'd love to be able to put it all in the device but it's not to be. The sync story is itunes like (transfer+metadata), which I somewhat dislike, but the use of rmapi plus other mechanisms to transfer data to it (e.g. plug in via usb and then post/curl a file vs. using their somewhat silly front end directly) has made it work for me. I use th…

This is great, thank you.

WRT 20GB - I'd just assumed it had a microSD slot. Your comment led me down a spiral, to find a guy who pulled the v1 device apart and soldered in socket for one. That's extra frustrating then that the electronics are already there, but the socket + hole is not. [1]

WRT pen - yes, I splashed out for the 'extra good' pen for the Samsung, and was glad I did. The bundled pen was serviceable, but things like the ersatz eraser, and thicker / heftier feel, made it worth while. When ogling the remarkable2 shop page I've kind of assumed I'd get the better pen at the same time, so it's good to have further confirmation on that gut feel.

Sync - sounds like that SyncThing project I found earlier, if it's still viable, might be a better option for us Linux users. If the data is coming across as SVG's or similar then I guess any native apps (Krita, etc) should work, but how good the interoperability on that actually is ... is not well blogged about. (A doubly niche market, I fear.)

[1] http://www.davisr.me/projects/remarkable-microsd/

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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I'm really glad I bought my ReMarkable2 (and Marker "Plus"), as it suits my use case extremely well: replacing stacks of 8.5x11" graph notepads, while adding digitization / sync, undo/redo, select/cut/paste/resize/move, (modest) pan/zoom, etc. Battery life and form factor are great. The writing UX is really something: low-latency, ~perfect hand detection, and the "feel" of writing. Yeah, the software's mediocre, but…

This is my experience too. I used to keep a stack of notebooks around, and I never seemed to have the right one on hand. Now I just have to keep track of one notebook that will never run out of space. With the most recent updates the e-reading experience has also gotten much better.

At this point the only feature I'd say is lacking is some kind of e-book store integration. I'd like to be able to purchase books from mainstream publishers to read on the device (it's sad how few publishers distribute books in non-DRM, plain ePub files these days).

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remarkable is really a device for people who explicitly don't want those features. They're betting hard that the market exists, although it probably isn't as large as the market for an as-powerful-as-possible general-purpose computing device. I've seen it mentioned that someone got an USB keyboard working, and the device is pretty hackable overall (you can SSH to root over wifi out of the box!), but I think if you wa…

Let me just add that I am not talking about a powerful all purpose computing device, because I think we pretty much have this with modern tablets/laptops. But I do feel the computing part could be much more utilized to make taking notes and reading text better. I am thinking of Hypertext, drawing tools like sketchpad, simple programming tools etc. Not a device that does as much as possible badly, but one that could r…

> But I do feel the computing part could be much more utilized to make taking notes and reading text better. I am thinking of Hypertext, drawing tools like sketchpad, simple programming tools etc.

The problem is that even those "simple" things are a massive amount of work to get right (where "right" means bug-free, performant, well-documented (or intuitive - pick at least one), flexible, and with an ergonomic interface). Additionally, they're significantly more work than the even simpler restricted feature-set that the reMarkable currently offers.

I believe that the reMarkable developers are shooting for "quality over quantity" - polishing a small feature-set to a blinding shine, rather than trying to implement a larger feature-set poorly - that is, an intentional trade-off. I'm happy with that trade-off, but I know that others might not be - in which case, you'll probably get the Android device that other people in the thread are discussing.

Also, the reMarkable is open - you can add all these things yourself, if you're sufficiently motivated.

> something that I can pretty much get with a notebook

The reMarkable's features, as limited as they are, are still miles beyond what a notebook gives you. You have backup, synchronization, document export (PDF, raster, SVG), undo/redo, multiple documents, digital storage, cut/copy/paste, erasing (pen can't be erased, pencil usually leaves marks and has other problems), multiple brushes, page reordering, multiple page templates (lined, grid, music, blank canvas, and more), layers, really good handwriting recognition, and more.

Yes, it's light-years behind what we could have - but we're stuck in the place we're at because of a number of computing decisions that we made in the past (and continue to make now) that hamper creativity and flexibility, and overcoming those choices requires a lot of resources and the ability to ignore/bypass/counteract a massive amount of market inertia. The reMarkable team simply doesn't have those resources, so they have to make a trade-off - and the trade-off they made was quality over quantity (of features).

Re: The rise of E Ink Tablets and Note Takers: reMarkable 2 vs Onyx Boox Note Air

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What's the situation with reMarkable 2's privacy? I'm interested in it as an extensible Linux device, but part of that would mean connecting it to a network to take advantage of SSH support. Is there a way completely turn off analytics so it never connects to a remote server at all without my permission? Can I disable updates without disconnecting it from the network? Or is there a replacement OS/hack that can disabl…

> Is there a way completely turn off analytics so it never connects to a remote server at all without my permission?

I could be wrong, but I don't think it sends any analytics. I'd be very surprised if it did for devices not connected to their cloud service.

They're covered by the gdpr, and the privacy policy doesn't mention any... https://support.remarkable.com/hc/en-us/articles/36000041647...

If it does you could certainly set up iptable rules to do so... but that would admittedly be a bit of a pain.

> Can I disable updates without disconnecting it from the network?

Yes, there's a toggle in the UI

> Or is there a replacement OS/hack that can disable any data collection?

Again, not sure if there is any data collection or even outgoing network traffic if you have the cloud services off. The hard part of a replacement OS would be controlling the screen, I don't think anyone has done that.

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