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Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> And if you insist on believing in the crazy conspiracy theories, at least SHUT THE HELL UP about it on Linux kernel discussion lists. I see Linus still hasn't changed much.

It's okay only when he acts like that towards people we don't like. But if it's me being stupid then he's unwelcoming and toxic.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

#232

I saw the headline and I thought, "Why do I care what Linus has to say about vaccines? He's just a programmer!" But then I clicked the link and realized that it was a classic Linus rant! As much as I support codes of conduct and Linus curtailing his asshole behavior regarding technical matters, I think there should be a loophole for anti-vaxxers and other nut jobs who don't care that they might transmit a deadly dise…

Linus rants are bad and he shouldn't do them when it comes to the integrity of the thing he's spent his life working on... but when it's about something We Can All Agree With, Right Guys, then they're good? ok lol

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were you saying something racist? I'm just asking.

Come on, really!? In a discussion about how trolls use "I am just asking", you decided that doing the same is a good idea. I am not op, but I have been accused of sealioning in the exact opposite direction: I was defending some curriculum based on ideas from critical race theory. Edit: Well, as the comment below alluded to, I probably missed a pretty obvious piece of sarcasm... This is certainly funny in hindsight.

One of the difficult parts of text based debate and discussion is that it's impossible to determine from vocal inflection, tone of voice and method of delivery whether someone is genuinely a fool, simply cosplaying as one, being sarcastic or facetious, etc.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

#234
I didn't even think of this before but now that i read this, i'm curious too. So basically Linus say mRNA vaccine does not change your genetic but then he proceed to say that it does exactly that to fight foreign proteins and it's ok because your cell's mRNA do that anyway. Do you see the difference?

I guess there is a reason to raise concerns about the novelty of the technique, if this is indeed the first time artificial mRNA is used on the general public.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because people who are in the ICU because they refuse to get vaccinated are costing the taxpayer a shitload of money. I'd be all for "you can stay unvaccinated if you like, but you won't get an ICU bed if you get severe COVID", but that's a heavier hand than a passport.

That's ridiculous. We don't expect people to get flu vaccines before extending medical care. We don't even expect basic sexual hygiene and extend extremely expensive HIV treatments to people who have tempted fate much, much more seriously than skipping a vaccince.

It's a concerning precedent. These rights to travel, to enter a store and so on were never restricted before but now they may be.

What about me, should I risk shot number two now that I've seen a flame heme show up on a routine retina scan just yesterday and am reading that this is one of the things they are seeing increase from the AZ vaccine? Will I be limited in travel and employment if I don't?

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did he say that you would consider to be wrong or unverified?

Well, there's a lot of evidence for mRNA transfer between species in other kingdoms; read on about reverse transcriptase [1] that is literally how some viruses spread when they enter the human body. Whether that mechanism still goes on when some of the components are missing, well, we presume it won't happen but there's not enough and definite evidence for that. And for those who love appealing to authority, I do hav…

It seems that according to these papers, if there was vaccine mRNA in the reproductive tract immediately prior to or immediately after fertilization, then theoretically the spike protein could possibly get integrated into the offspring’s genome. But how could the vaccine mRNA end up in the reproductive tract? Seems unlikely. It’s intramuscular, not in a vein. The implications of sperm-mediated reverse transcription are quite unsavory regardless.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

#237

This is good. Now states are combating such hesitancy by drawing lottery for vaccinated folks. Like, having this magic, absolutely mind boggling potion that prevents serious illness and death *isn't* already the lottery win of our lifetime?? People in India and elsewhere are dying because of lack of vaccines and here we have educated, first world countries struggle to get their citizens vaccinated. Unfortunately sham…

The "magic" from vaccinations comes from vaccinating most of the population so that the epidemic fizzles out. In that scenario it doesn't matter that much whether you personally are vaccinated or not. An unvaccinated person benefits from herd immunity like a vaccinated person does.

From the viewpoint of a healthy young person, the risk/reward ratio of taking a vaccine is bad.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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post #122

I am eagerly awaiting my vaccine, however we are all alpha/beta testers. A real concern is about safety of those vaccines as typically they require ~3 years of testing and a single fatality aborts their use. Would you give alpha version to people you love? Why is this concern downplayed? I understand statistics but we have no clue what could go wrong in an early version of a new technology and no data on long-term im…

> Would you give alpha version to people you love?

If the alternative is a O(1%) chance of dying from the disease? You'd better believe I would (and did).

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

#239

mRNA doesn't change your genetic sequence in any way. It is the exact same intermediate - and temporary - kind of material that your cells generate internally all the time as part of your normal cell processes The m in mRNA stands for messenger. I'm failing to find anything I consider to be a succinct explanation in layman's terms (other than the one in the piece under discussion: all that the mRNA vaccines do is to…

What it boils down to is the following:

1. Cells contain different organelles that serve different functions.

2. One of the organelles is the Ribosome which exists outside of the nucleus (which contains and protects your DNA) and receives mRNA and tRNA inputs and outputs proteins.

3. The mRNA vaccines contain the RNA necessary for the ribosomes in your cells to manufacture the spike proteins of the virus. The spike proteins are treated as if they were the real deal because your body doesn’t know it is hollow, only that it must be a threat because it doesn’t belong. SARS-CoV-2 shows up with the same spike protein and runs smack dab into the middle of all the antibodies your body produced to target that specific type of threat with that specific spike protein having gone through a dry run before and SARS-CoV-2 gets slaughtered for its efforts.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

#240
It should have been you are banned / strike one for being off topic.

Linux is not about vaccines either way.

All this off topic garden shed stuff needs to be shutdown in open source. And normal companies too if they want to prosper.

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