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Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by ping_pong »

Reason077 wrote: post #227
ping_pong wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people were convinced they had COVID in Jan-March 2020. You're not the only one. Without a test though, it's impossible to say because the symptoms of mild COVID, which it sounds like you had, overlap a very large number of other diseases. There was also a very bad flu going around in early 2020 that a lot of people had caught so you probably had that.

I think if you've had Covid, you'd disagree that its symptoms are similar to other common diseases. It feels quite different from any cold/flu I've ever had - unlike most flus I've experienced, there was no bronchitis, no throat pain, no sinus congestion, only a mild intermittent cough, little snot/phlem, etc. But it has some distinct features: high fever/temperature which lasts < 24 hours, changes in taste (foods wh…

I know some people who got COVID and said they felt fine, except for a stuffy nose. Almost everyone I know that had COVID said that the flu was worse. All the symptoms that you mentioned apply to the flu as well. There might have been one day where they felt really worn out, but that was it. I felt the same way after taking the vaccine. Change in taste can be attributed to blocked nose which radiacally changes the taste of food. This has happened to me with bad colds and bad allergy attacks too.

I only know 1 person who almost died from it, my friend's mother who had to be put on a ventilator, but she survived.

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Reason077 wrote: post #227
ping_pong wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people were convinced they had COVID in Jan-March 2020. You're not the only one. Without a test though, it's impossible to say because the symptoms of mild COVID, which it sounds like you had, overlap a very large number of other diseases. There was also a very bad flu going around in early 2020 that a lot of people had caught so you probably had that.

I think if you've had Covid, you'd disagree that its symptoms are similar to other common diseases. It feels quite different from any cold/flu I've ever had - unlike most flus I've experienced, there was no bronchitis, no throat pain, no sinus congestion, only a mild intermittent cough, little snot/phlem, etc. But it has some distinct features: high fever/temperature which lasts < 24 hours, changes in taste (foods wh…

Did you also have a super-dry cough and/or an irritation in the lungs bordering on a burning feeling? That was like no other illness in my experience.

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by f6v »

daenz wrote: post #149
ceejayoz wrote: post #134

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Our immune systems are pretty amazing. It's also good to help them along sometimes.

That does not conflict with being unbiased towards evidence that our immune systems are effective against covid.

> our immune systems are effective against covid

When you say "our", who do you mean? 30yo with no underlying health conditions? A leukemia patient? An HIV-positive person? A 50yo diabetic? 40% of the adult obese Americans?

Yes, healthy immune system can be effective at fighting covid. But vaccination is a matter of public health. You aim to eradicate the disease so that everyone is safe.

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by qrybam »

reducesuffering wrote: post #2

Punchline: “The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection remained almost zero among previously infected unvaccinated subjects, previously infected subjects who were vaccinated, and previously uninfected subjects who were vaccinated, compared with a steady increase in cumulative incidence among previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated. Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained u…

That’s interesting. Maybe the duration of the trial was too short or sample size too small, because I know two people personally who were re-infected pre vaccination.

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by f6v »

ping_pong wrote: post #224
SkyPuncher wrote: post #127

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> to not blanket demonize those who are unvaccinated. Well, I'm currently in quarantine from my 4 month old and wife because an acquaintance refused to get vaccinated. "young people don't die from COVID" type mentality. I attended my brother's bachelor party - of which we all thought everyone was vaccinated. Turns out this person, not only refused to get vaccinated - but had COVID exposure and still decided to attend…

Why are you quarantined if you got vaccinated?

Keep in mind that vaccine is not 100% effective.

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by rimliu »

ryandrake wrote: post #68
isaacremuant wrote: post #27

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It is coercion. People have been coerced at every step of this crisis, by the threat of police violence, by the threat of reputation or job loss, by the the threat of fines and more. Hopefully, like we see with the wuhan lab theory suppression, as time goes on, a lot of what people suffered will come to light, and be contrasted by the benefit of the elite and political class during all this.

COVID restrictions have been coercion just like drunk driving laws are coercion: rules that prevent innocent people from being hurt by reckless people’s bad decisions. A fundamental part of any civilized system is that bad behavior that is likely to hurt others is punished in order to try to deter that bad behavior. Reckless behavior during a worldwide deadly pandemic is similar to reckless behavior on the road.

I see this comparison often and it is wrong. Imagine if every driver is suddenly forced to take a breathalizer test every time before driving, even if they never had a DUI case.

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by f6v »

jdminhbg wrote: post #180
rectang wrote: post #107

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The unvaccinated are still vectors for the infection of those who cannot be vaccinated, such as the immunocompromised. I personally don't think in terms of "blanked demonizing" people, but neither am I going to blanket-absolve all the unvaccinated — especially willful anti-vaxxers. Regardless, this study is good news — because it means that every person who is infected and then recovers contributes towards herd immun…

> The unvaccinated are still vectors for the infection of those who cannot be vaccinated, such as the immunocompromised Is it actually the case that immunocompromised people cannot be vaccinated? The ones that I know have been; as far as I know, the mRNA vaccines by virtue of not being based on live virus are not dangerous to those with weakened immune systems.

There might also be not enough data on how vaccine affects people with rare health conditions.

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by tomp »

ping_pong wrote: post #225
cstejerean wrote: post #156

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> There's also evidence that asymptomatic people don't spread COVID. This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it, and if they do and they're like most people, they'll stay home which means no transmission. We wouldn’t be in the middle of a pandemic if this were true.

There a difference between asymptomatic and presymptomatic.

Parent poster actually meant presymptomatic.

> This would mean that if they don't have symptoms, you won't get it

Re: Evaluating necessity of Covid-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

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Post by mickhead23 »

Reason077 wrote: post #227
ping_pong wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people were convinced they had COVID in Jan-March 2020. You're not the only one. Without a test though, it's impossible to say because the symptoms of mild COVID, which it sounds like you had, overlap a very large number of other diseases. There was also a very bad flu going around in early 2020 that a lot of people had caught so you probably had that.

I think if you've had Covid, you'd disagree that its symptoms are similar to other common diseases. It feels quite different from any cold/flu I've ever had - unlike most flus I've experienced, there was no bronchitis, no throat pain, no sinus congestion, only a mild intermittent cough, little snot/phlem, etc. But it has some distinct features: high fever/temperature which lasts < 24 hours, changes in taste (foods wh…

This. If someone just thinks or suspects they Covid, it almost certainly was normal flu. Trust me, with actual Covid you’ll know quite clearly something foreign and new is attacking. You feel it in your cells and bones. Then the symptoms hit.
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