> Some criminals undertake what is known as “chain-hopping” — jumping between different cryptocurrencies, often in rapid succession — to lose trackers, or use particular “privacy coin” cryptocurrencies that have extra anonymity built into them, such as Monero. Its kind of hilarious that an article in mid-2021 treats this as novel, or that it is novel to many people reading it now. To me this is like reading about bea…
Well everybody is just not as in the loop as you are. Not sure what is hilarious about that...
The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin
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Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, different people have different ideas about what's reasonable. But if you want to make a case for a reasonable balance between your desire for secrecy versus the desire of other people to be free of crime, you'll have to talk about more than what you personally dislike.
I want to be free from the crimes of the state too, and the kind of suffocating repression [1] [2] and centralization of power [3] that highly controlled societies create. We should oppose warrantless mass-surveillance of private financial transactions for the same reasons we oppose mass-surveillance of every one's private communications. The desire to live free from crime does not justify engaging in either. I think…
Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
I want to be free from the crimes of the state too, and the kind of suffocating repression [1] [2] and centralization of power [3] that highly controlled societies create. We should oppose warrantless mass-surveillance of private financial transactions for the same reasons we oppose mass-surveillance of every one's private communications. The desire to live free from crime does not justify engaging in either. I think…
Again, that doesn't sound like balancing competing rights and concerns. It's sounds to me like a fundamentalist's stance.
Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
I read through this entire gist, and I was not able to find a single section categorically proving that Monero is unsafe. It makes big claims such as "Monero has been broken." and "Monero is substantially unsafe and incapable of providing anonymity [...]", but then at the end the very same paper says the following: "Monero is the best-in-class anonymous cryptocurrency in production today." What the hell is it trying…
> "Monero is the best-in-class anonymous cryptocurrency in production today." > > What the hell is it trying to say then? It's trying to say everything else is broken too. I think Zcash is now best is class though. > Note that this doesn't mean that Monero is 0% safe (as the gist likes to pretend by writing stuff like "Monero has been broken"), but it rather means that Monero is 80-90% safe rather than 100% safe. No,…
> I think Zcash is now best is class though.
I fundamentally disagree. Zcash is sponsored and funded by so many government agencies which raises a stupid amount of red flags. It's sponsored by US DARPA, Israeli Digital ministries, Amazon, etc. [1] It's absolutely ridiculous that a coin with so many links to bad institutions could ever be considered trustworthy. Furthermore, its lead developer was caught with his pants down when he went on a ramble about how they could install backdoors for government agencies to track criminal transactions, while also making it secure and anonymous for normal people. The fact that the project didn't completely collapse that moment still blows my mind. [2][3]
> No, the main point of the gist is that the analytic attacks are able to entirely break any user whose wallet functions as a stream wallet, which in practice is nearly everyone.
>The attack doesn't target weaknesses in the monero implementation, it targets weaknesses in the monero architecture. Any decoy system has the exact same issues.
I've read through the gist you linked again, and I think I now understand what the threat model being analysed is. He makes the following assumptions:
* >The anonymous stream wallet model assumes a single adversary that has global visibility of all payment streams on the network.
* >This global adversary is assumed to be performing an ongoing Sybil attack on the network.
* >the global adversary is assumed to have access to unknown side-channels that help to de-anonymize the user. [...] examples could include more exotic techniques known only to the adversary.
First of all, these are incredibly optimistic assumptions. Sybil attack, maybe. But, a government (adversary) having "unknown" side-channel attacks to de-anonymise users? Really? I mean, if I'm able to make such an easy assumption that a government has unknown side-channel attacks without having anything to back up my assumption with, then I could write a paper on pretty much any technology and accuse them of being "insecure" and "broken". But you know as well as I do that such assumptions are bonkers.
The gist then goes on to say:
"Though a global adversary may seem like a strong assumption, techniques such as the flashlight attack, dragnet surveillance, government mandated KYC, and the general nature of corporate information sharing and data selling today suggest that a single party could potentially gain a substantial and surprising amount of knowledge about any particular identity on the internet"
Which doesn't make 100% sense. Sure, such techniques would work if we were talking about Bitcoin where addresses are fixed and the blockchain is completely transparent. But this is Monero. If a government uses KYC to link a real life identity to a Monero address, a user can simply generate a new wallet and send the transaction from the KYC'd address to a blank wallet. The sender wallet is hidden with decoys, and most importantly (!!!), the receiving wallet is 100% hidden thanks to stealth addresses. No need to worry about decoys. So, how on earth would a government use their vast databases to get around this?
If this gist was so well written, why wasn't it submitted for peer review, and why hasn't it received an edit in 3 years?
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Fundamentally, Monero is objectively safer due to how it's not in bed with so many government agencies, and how the developer team is decentralised and anonymous. Theoretical attacks and GitHub gists from 3 years ago saying how someone could do this or that don't mean anything when the only other alternatives are literally sponsored by Israeli ministries. Furthermore, the IRS $625k bounty for breaking Monero is still open, and the largest dark market curently uses Monero only. I believe that these 2 things speak volumes more than a gist from 3 years ago.
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[1]: http://zerocash-project.org/about_us
Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, that doesn't sound like balancing competing rights and concerns. It's sounds to me like a fundamentalist's stance.
Yes and I believe it is more morally correct to have a fundamental belief that innocent people shouldn't have their rights violated to achieve some larger social goal. The ends don't justify the means, and fundamental human rights shouldn't be voidable by majority vote.
Re: The rise of crypto laundries: how criminals cash out of Bitcoin
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and I believe it is more morally correct to have a fundamental belief that innocent people shouldn't have their rights violated to achieve some larger social goal. The ends don't justify the means, and fundamental human rights shouldn't be voidable by majority vote.
That is not all that is going on here and I suspect you know it. Rights are often in conflict. Insisting that a particular right you are personally fixated on trump all others is not a moral stance. It's narcissism dressed up in a noble cloak.
What you are describing as a right: the ability to subject others to warrantless mass-surveillance, violates the core liberal principle of Western culture, namely the rights to privacy and the presumption of innocence.
And for good reason. There is no evidence at all that abrogating these core rights makes people safer, either from threats in general, or specifically from crime.