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Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you. What is your definition of "middle class"? Someone making $400k is most certainly in the top 1%. What tax changes have occurred so far in the past few decades that are significantly affecting you? I would genuinely like to know

There's quite a few of us here making more more than 400k/year but less than Billion dollar money. My effective tax rate between state and federal is something like 55% before including sales taxes. These Billionaires find ways to pay basically nothing in tax because their wealth comes from capital gains and not from RSU + salary compensation which are taxed as normal salary. The bulk of the burden of new tax increas…

There should definitely be efforts made to figure out how to tax those billionaires (and there are!), but that doesn’t mean that those making $400k shouldn’t be taxed way more as well. Let’s be honest, your life won’t change in any meaningful way because of this.

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you. What is your definition of "middle class"? Someone making $400k is most certainly in the top 1%. What tax changes have occurred so far in the past few decades that are significantly affecting you? I would genuinely like to know

There's quite a few of us here making more more than 400k/year but less than Billion dollar money. My effective tax rate between state and federal is something like 55% before including sales taxes. These Billionaires find ways to pay basically nothing in tax because their wealth comes from capital gains and not from RSU + salary compensation which are taxed as normal salary. The bulk of the burden of new tax increas…

> My effective tax rate between state and federal is something like 55% before including sales taxes.

That seems extremely high, what state is this? Do you mean the top marginal rate, or is that literally the effective rate when you file your 1040?

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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Not OP, but the removal of the SALT deduction hurt.

Yeah that was a good one; promise a tax cut for the rich, and give a slight tax cut to the rich in low tax states and screw people in high tax states (which happen to mostly be were the proposer of the tax cut didn't get votes anyway). On the plus side, between the limit on SALT deduction and the increased standard deduction, the mortgage interest deduction is almost effectively dead; which is something that has need…

Except for the fact that landlords still have the full mortgage interest deduction (as is proper for any business loan in a system that taxes income/profit) meaning it’s harder for owner-occupants to bid against them for housing.

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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post #51

That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…

> I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes Fwiw we feel like middle class but we’re really in the top 5% or higher. We’re the rich people these taxes and politicians talk about. The ultra rich/wealthy are a red herring, there’s only a few 10k of them of them. Only 614 people are billionaires. 7 figure income (salary) puts you in top 0.35% ... that’s 1,120,000 Americans. Not a whole lot. edit: top 10% star…

> Fwiw we feel like middle class but we’re really in the top 5% or higher.

I think middle class is about where your money comes from than the amount of your money. If you are primarily deriving your income from from working for a company you don’t control, then I think you are middle class.

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you. What is your definition of "middle class"? Someone making $400k is most certainly in the top 1%. What tax changes have occurred so far in the past few decades that are significantly affecting you? I would genuinely like to know

Canadian here can’t really comment on US taxes but our PM Justin Trudeau elected on demonizing the 1% but then promptly cut tax credits on children sports, public transit, child credits, etc while doing nothing to his billionaire buddies so certainly sounds familiar from up here.

Don't forget "raised taxes on the highest income Canadians while claiming that he was raising taxes on the wealthiest Canadians". He has been repeating that lie for five years now.

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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Are you excluding primary residence? A lot of paper millionaires due to lucky real estate

> paper millionaires Is there some other kind of millionaire?

I'd imagine in this case it's more a matter of liquidity.

It's one thing to say you have a million dollars to your name. The difference is that one person has to sell everything they own to command that value while someone else just calls their broker to have it liquidated from their rainy day fund.

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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post #58

That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…

Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you. What is your definition of "middle class"? Someone making $400k is most certainly in the top 1%. What tax changes have occurred so far in the past few decades that are significantly affecting you? I would genuinely like to know

> Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you.

Someone making over $400k might want to invest some of that money. The businesses in which that person would have invested would hire people. And pay wages. And taxes. If you take more of the “rich” money. They won’t invest as much. And thus won’t create value. Giving that money to the government doesn’t create value — or if it does, there is still the issue of deadweight loss. The private sector always spends more efficiently than government.

Every rich person I know doesn’t put their money under the mattress; they invest it in something.

As far as tax changes that affect me: well the very high rates of California taxation led me to moving my residence and business to Texas. When I lived overseas, the Biden-supported, Obama-signed FACTA legislation (which was ultimately a tax law) had a very significant impact. I couldn’t open business bank accounts in the UK which led me to not being able to expand my (then) consulting business because our potential client required a UK company and that company needed a UK bank account in order to get anything done. Since I wasn’t a UK resident, it made it even harder. I am not super rich so Barclays and friends weren’t going to go through all the FATCA hoops just for my £100k per year in turnover.

And in terms of tax changes that helped? The Trump tax cuts resulted in a significant amount of savings that led to buying an airplane and significant production equipment, for example, being able to deduct a significant amount on an aircraft purchase — an aircraft that we wouldn’t have been able to afford without the change in the tax laws. That aircraft enabled my business to expand into smaller markets, which benefited those smaller markets in which we entered (they could get our product cheaper and resell it at a greater profit.) We could also target smaller towns that would have otherwise required flying commercial and then driving all day — then there was the issue of moving cargo quickly. Also the tax savings on equipment purchases allowed us to not have to pay copackers and instead set up our own bottling facility. Which lowered our cost per unit, allowing us to lower our wholesale prices, which led to our customers being able to make a larger profit. (Our business is making specialized fitness cleaning products and our customers are small boutiques and fitness studios.)

It’s very short sighted to see taxes that are paid only by “someone else.” If you run any sort of business at all, the effects of tax policy can be immediately evident. The typical wage worker doesn’t see it because they limit themselves to their immediate viewpoint: they fail to see the chain of transactions that lead to them having a job in the first place. An employed person has more economic impact than an unemployed person. That’s just a fact.

So yes, tax policy is felt by everyone, even those that don’t pay taxes.

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

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That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…

It’s funny how everyone thinks that the threshold for any tax on the rich should always be a bit higher than their own circumstances!

Re: Evidence from leaked account data on how elites use offshore banking [pdf]

#240
post #58

That's why i'm against high taxes. We get a bunch of random political parties, promising to "tax the rich" and stuff, we get new laws... and what happens? - The poor already pay very little tax - no change there - The rich avoid the tax by doing shady stuff (who remembers the panama papers.. or this.. or many other stories like these) - I, the middle class engineer get fucked by the taxes, and I get fucked hard, and…

Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you. What is your definition of "middle class"? Someone making $400k is most certainly in the top 1%. What tax changes have occurred so far in the past few decades that are significantly affecting you? I would genuinely like to know

"Unless you are making more than $400,000, the new tax proposals would not affect you."

That's not true. If your combined income with your spose is more than 400k the tax increase will affect you. so it will affect individuals making as little as 200k if you assume income is divided equally between two spouses.

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