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Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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if I'm an architect and my client wants their living room to look like a gothic cathedral If you were an architect with those kinds of clients you would have a list of potential builders with track records of successfully completing similar work. It’s among the kinds of expertise architects have. And you would look at this with the jaded cynicism that an architect’s experience inevitably produces...for you will have…

> If you were an architect with those kinds of clients you would have a list of potential builders with track records of successfully completing similar work. My point is that you don't have to have this knowledge, and you don't have to hire expert craftspeople and pay them expert wages if you can have a machine do the difficult work. > And most importantly you would know that right angles are almost always the right…

“Not using an architect” can have benefits. Among them not having to deal with an architect. However, improved aesthetics is often not among them. Same for functionality.

The advantage of an architect is that you won’t get what you think you want.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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What is the thing that tells you?

It's called "Google". Here's the first hit for "early criticism of automobiles": https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/01/get-horse-americ... I am leaving it as an exercise to the reader to verify the extent to which your concerns mirror those of people 100 years ago.

The article does not contain the quotations you listed.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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The actual products that make it work: Mapesoil 10.[1] "High-performance, fibre-reinforced powdered stabilising agent for sports sub-base contruction surfaces".The amount of Mapesoil 10 required is 3%-5% of the dirt weight. Comes in 500kg bags, on pallets. Dynamon SR4 [2] "Superplasticizer based on acrylic polymer for concrete with long slump retention". About 1%-2% of the mix. That gets the material through the 3D p…

>The trouble with most of these 3D building systems is that there's no tamping I would call that a feature. Building forms is basically building the entire building out of wood (or metal), then building it again out of concrete. Single family homes or multi-unit low rises don't require low void high compressive strength. They need speed. Residential prefab never caught on in North America. Maybe this will. If it is c…

Residential prefab never caught on in North America.

True. Neither did concrete construction for residences. Edison tried it. He had a set of concrete forms that latched together. Then you poured concrete, waited, and remove the forms. It was never popular, but there are still a few left in use.

I live in a cinderblock house reinforced with concrete and rebar. It was built around 1950 by a commercial building contractor, as his personal residence. The interior is quite nice, but the exterior looks industrial.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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The actual products that make it work: Mapesoil 10.[1] "High-performance, fibre-reinforced powdered stabilising agent for sports sub-base contruction surfaces".The amount of Mapesoil 10 required is 3%-5% of the dirt weight. Comes in 500kg bags, on pallets. Dynamon SR4 [2] "Superplasticizer based on acrylic polymer for concrete with long slump retention". About 1%-2% of the mix. That gets the material through the 3D p…

>The trouble with most of these 3D building systems is that there's no tamping I would call that a feature. Building forms is basically building the entire building out of wood (or metal), then building it again out of concrete. Single family homes or multi-unit low rises don't require low void high compressive strength. They need speed. Residential prefab never caught on in North America. Maybe this will. If it is c…

Why didn't residential concrete ever take off in NA? I was talking with a builder in the Netherlands and he the stick and drywall used in the US is only for temporary buildings there. Also, all the concrete and masonry residences I see in the US have cracks everywhere.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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What is the thing that tells you?

It's called "Google". Here's the first hit for "early criticism of automobiles": https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/01/get-horse-americ... I am leaving it as an exercise to the reader to verify the extent to which your concerns mirror those of people 100 years ago.

I think the difference is that “concrete/lumber housing” to “3d printed housing” is not like “horses and carriages” to “cars.” Not saying it couldn’t be, but I think the point is that this experiment, although very interesting and cool, does not come close to demonstrating an analogous transformation (yet.)

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The actual products that make it work: Mapesoil 10.[1] "High-performance, fibre-reinforced powdered stabilising agent for sports sub-base contruction surfaces".The amount of Mapesoil 10 required is 3%-5% of the dirt weight. Comes in 500kg bags, on pallets. Dynamon SR4 [2] "Superplasticizer based on acrylic polymer for concrete with long slump retention". About 1%-2% of the mix. That gets the material through the 3D p…

Thank you for finding this wonderful information. In adobe construction, too-high clay content can be as big a problem as too low. All clays are somewhat expansive, and the most plastic clays like bentonite are also the most expansive. If your adobe is too expansive it cracks when it dries and contracts. Including enough sand makes it less expansive and less plastic when it gets moist, and including enough straw† all…

maybe they're just arching the walls more than you would normally dare to do with adobe.

I suspect that's a pure compression structure. It's a dome with an oculus, like the Pantheon. It probably took finite element analysis to design an asymmetrical dome. The asymmetry is just showing off.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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Your argument is the equivalent of asking in what sense a wheel is novel technology while comparing a car to a horse drawn carriage. It's not about the mud hut. It's about how the mud hut was made .

I am aware that novel techniques for building mud huts are created all the time, and none of those new techniques address the fundamental issue with all of them — this building technique is only suited to single-story buildings on large tracts of land. 3D printing the mud hut doesn’t meaningfully alter that constraint. The “environmental sustainability” gains you get from using on-site materials would be totally eras…

If I literally say "the mud huts aren't the point" and you reply by talking about "novel techniques for building mud huts", then I don't think you're honestly engaging with my argument.

The technique is limited to mud huts for now. It's a demonstration of what it is capable of for now. With more research it could become more useful later on. Seeing that is not rocket science.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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Lots of unfair negativity here. I think this is wonderful. HN is full of random hacked-up tech that will never solve the worlds problems but nonetheless give a glimpse at what alternatives could look like. Experiments. This is what this is, and in my opinion it's stunning and I would move into one in an instant.

I disagree. It's common to see news headlines about things claiming to solve important humanitarian problems; they get shared on facebook, talked about over dinner tables, and online communities. They often ommit the downsides and alternatives, which in many cases (I speculate it applies here) make the product non-viable. For example: indoor farming, water-from-air schemes, solar-panels-in-surprising-places etc. The…

I agree (with your disagreement) ... "3D printed house" is one of those things that come up at dinner tables regularly.

"Hey you are into 3d printing, right? Have you heard about the new technology that allows us to print houses?!?"

Yes I have ... no it won't change the world ... yes this has been done for years now.

What I am more interested in is that robot arm on a truck that "automatically" lays bricks with mortar (substitute) inbetween.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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> If you were an architect with those kinds of clients you would have a list of potential builders with track records of successfully completing similar work. My point is that you don't have to have this knowledge, and you don't have to hire expert craftspeople and pay them expert wages if you can have a machine do the difficult work. > And most importantly you would know that right angles are almost always the right…

“Not using an architect” can have benefits. Among them not having to deal with an architect. However, improved aesthetics is often not among them. Same for functionality. The advantage of an architect is that you won’t get what you think you want.

In the comment you're replying to, I was thinking of the "architect" being basically replaced by a software package that designs the whole house based on the required criteria. Any aesthetic judgments are encoded in the software's heuristics, and the range of available styles are basically part of the brand of the company responsible for this house-designing-and-building service.

Allowing people to directly design their own house using CAD software is also an option. I think on average it would turn out okay most of the time. People have a pretty good incentive to design the spaces they live in well for they way they intend to use them.

Re: A house 3D printed from raw earth

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HN worries about the hard problems because they're real challenges that need to be solved before any improvements reach the wider market.

Nonsense. HN worries (enjoys, rather) problems that appeal to them. Linux running on a pen. A new programming framework demonstrates an abstract point. Etc. What HN is doing here is internalizing cliches, responding to hyperbole/tropes they (we) assume is in the article. Also, the artsy-philosphical terms used by architects pisses off nerds. "Humane Architecture" and whatnot. This is HN being silly, not HN being smar…

Yes HN is great for championing useless projects, all the while crapping on the ideas that turn out to be huge; Dropbox, Gitlab, Coinbase etc.

Oh well, it is entertaining!

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