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Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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Malls seem like the perfect mixed use type property. Stores on 1 floor, offices on 2nd floor, then 2-3 floors of housing. 1 of the big department stores could be a grocery store.

That's roughly New York City, or how many cities of the world are doing. You don't get a backyard with that, though; and parking will be difficult.

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post #79

Malls could be the best co-working offices. Ample daytime parking, baller food courts, medical facilities, hair dressers, dentists, cafes, movie theaters, entertainment, etc all under one roof.

That’s pretty close to the mall’s original intent. They were supposed to be little villages of the future. They turned into uninspired, bland corporate centers.

Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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Malls (shopping centres here in Australia) are terrible experiences. I don't like shopping, but the general process for shopping at a such a place is: 1) Drive some distance to get there 2) Park in a cramped car park, where the size of the parks is generally as small as legally allowed 3) Walk through the same car park, which bizarrely doesn't have walking ways for people to safely go through 4) Go to the shop and se…

This exactly the same in the UK - I absolutely hate parking in those cramped multi-storey car parks, where after parking you can only open your door about an inch, and have to kind of ooze out of your car. Getting back in is even worse! I would have imagined things in Australia were different (more like US), what with how much land there is.

> how much land there is.

most of that land is away from the city!

Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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Some coward flagged my comment instead of replying and using words. Here it is again:

Not the pandemic, no. That's clearly incorrect attribution of causation, because it's not as if malls can't keep the stores staffed due to people dying. It's government policies that are killing businesses, not the virus. This is exactly the kind of take one would expect from the Washington Post, a propaganda outlet.

Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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Some coward flagged my comment instead of replying and using words. Here it is again: Not the pandemic, no. That's clearly incorrect attribution of causation, because it's not as if malls can't keep the stores staffed due to people dying. It's government policies that are killing businesses, not the virus. This is exactly the kind of take one would expect from the Washington Post, a propaganda outlet.

the stores being staffed are not the problem, its that people dont feel the need to go anymore.

nothing is stopping us from going to malls. the pandemic made me realize i dont need to.

Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

#236

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I love how in the US, instead of building all these services and offices near each other and walkable from people's homes, we insist on ideas that force people to drive dozens of miles to get a walkable and convenient experience.

To be fair the US has the space to do what Asian and European countries couldn't. Also America was basically virgin land. The invention of the car and highways shaped US cities when Tokyo and Paris were already centuries old. Also are Americans really unhappy with suburbia?

I think you’ll find its pretty split. Lots of people prefer the privacy of a private car and large yards, but others would prefer walkable denser areas.

On the whole it might be slightly trending to the latter.

Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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post #216

Malls (shopping centres here in Australia) are terrible experiences. I don't like shopping, but the general process for shopping at a such a place is: 1) Drive some distance to get there 2) Park in a cramped car park, where the size of the parks is generally as small as legally allowed 3) Walk through the same car park, which bizarrely doesn't have walking ways for people to safely go through 4) Go to the shop and se…

I'm kind of thankful for the pandemic, because it forced more businesses to provide an option to shop for groceries online. I know I won't be going back to this exhausting 3h weekly ritual.

That's the one thing I didn't do online. Early on, stock was just so limited and, by the time it wasn't, it just seemed easier to go in person. I was more organized and would go early-on once every week or two and it took me well under an hour.

Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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post #79

Malls could be the best co-working offices. Ample daytime parking, baller food courts, medical facilities, hair dressers, dentists, cafes, movie theaters, entertainment, etc all under one roof.

The more or less dead mall fairly near me--there is still a thriving grocery store and Home Depot in the surrounding complex but not part of the mall as such--had as anchor stores JC Penney, Macy's, and Sears. It's in a smaller city. That (and even more rural areas--surrounding the smaller city is a lot of farmland such as where I live). There's nothing there to support significant co-working space.

The luxury malls in cities that would support more co-working space--though ask WeWork how things are going--are mostly doing better.

Re: Mall department stores were struggling; the pandemic has pushed them to the edge

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They're already a suburban blight. Just teat them down. Put a park there instead.

Where does the money come from? Cities are cash-strapped, which makes demolition & park development unlikely. Existing property owners aren't exactly in the business of giving away prime realestate or operating charities -- they'd probably opt for more suburban housing developments.

The city would only pay for redevelopment if it owned the land underneath and that land was unsellable. And if that's the case, the city has bigger problems than the mall (something like Detroit, where, for many years, there was simply nobody there to buy/use/redevelop).

Provide the right financial incentives and a developer should be able to do it on terms favorable to the city (vs getting little/no revenue from a derelict mall complex).

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post #148

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> because most people already have a home Assuming that everyone has a comfortable and spacious home with a desk&chair area is, well, a bad assumption. A bunch of people I know are now working significantly more time from a couch, in a clearly non-ergonomic position. We will see and hear about the real damage 5 years from now.

I don't want to discard the fact that this is a real problem right now but in an efficient remote economy, employees are more likely to move to lower cost of living locations, possibly with better life quality and away from crazy overpriced urban centers that optimise for high salary in exchange for very little space. I think a world where people are more evenly distributed and have larger dwellings than a single roo…

There is a certain demographic in which a fair number of people find (certain) cities attractive. But, honestly, take convenience to employment out of the equation and the attraction of cities shrinks a lot. And if enough higher earning people move out, the city won't be as attractive to others. Take a look at NYC, among others, in the 70s and 80s.
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