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Et Tu, Signal?
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Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would you say are the cons of Telegram? I've been highly impressed with the UX for quite some time, but have refrained from pushing it (and the likes) onto friends. My family and friends seems to have slowly drifted towards signal, and I haven't bothered affecting that, but if I would go from a pure UX, I'd suggest telegram. So, I'm genuinely curious to know others' thoughts on it. I have only limited knowledge,…
I think the most common complaint is that group chats are not encrypted, and regular chats are also unencrypted by default.
Which has benefit so that you can see past messages. This why I think Telegram is a perfect place for hosting public groups chat (like an IRC but with better usability).
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#233I'm baffled how tech-savvy people like the author are surprised when a seemingly free product suddenly introduce ways to monetize its service. There is no free lunch or to put it in another way, if you're not paying for the product, you are the product.
I'm baffled how people assume this is monetization. Signal has been a nonprofit for years and has no money issues: https://signalfoundation.org . The organization has no formal ties to the alt-coin, although Moxie does. It doesn't monetize the Signal foundation. I'm very unhappy with this, but it's not a monetization scheme.
Indeed, it is not monetization it is corruption and embezzlement. Moxie uses his role in a foundation to make himself and his buddies rich.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
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Can you explain exactly how capitalism is at fault here, and contrast it with other economic systems which you think would have had a different result?
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember that Skype, before it was bought and ruined by Microsoft, had P2P chat history sync that worked the following way: once two of your devices were online at the same time, they synchronized chat history among the two running instances flawlessly. It was super reliable and predictable. I am sure that Signal could implement the same peer-to-peer sync scheme with full end-to-end encryption without any secrecy c…
Pre-MS skype was so far peak IM.
Don't forget about when IM networks actually used open standards instead of closed proprietary protocols. Managing all of my accounts through pidgin was a breeze, and didn't leave me swapping between half a dozen different programs trying to remember which networks somebody would typically use.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a big advantage, and a very important one. But definitely, that and the superior crypto is what keeps me on the app. Telegram is in a whole different level when it comes to usability and refinement. >Signals crypto is used by Facebook and was sponsored by the US Govt Funny that you're talking about FUD.
It is not FUD. OWS was financed by Open Technology Fund, to the tune of almost $3M, during the years 2013-2016. See here: https://www.opentech.fund/results/supported-projects/open-wh... What is Open Technology Fund? It is a program of Radio Free Asia, which run by US Agency for Global Media, funded by US Congress.
Hey, advisor for a non-signal E2EE chat service here that also benefited from the Open Technology Fund.
I recognize that you'd basically just be taking my word for it, but literally all they did was take an application from us, approve it after doing their diligence, and paying Cure53 for an assessment. There was no other involvement or, as you're implying, interference.
Just my experience, but I'm publishing this because the fud breaks my heart. OTF does good work.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#237What if I told you... companies need revenue to continue operating?
The foundation gets plenty of donations. No, the one who is likely to get rich from this is Moxie and his buddies.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#238Don't like it? Don't use it. Afterall, private organizations can do what they want according to the mantra repeated here. At least that was the defense for social media organizations implementing censorship and bans.
I don’t see anyone arguing that Signal can’t do this.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#239I see Keybase mentioned a lot in this discussions (both in the linked article, and in HN comments). Does anyone have a good summary to read up on what happened with Keybase?
Got bought out by Zoom, and given their reputation for security/privacy, many users ditched Keybase quicker than rats from a sinking ship.
It's almost like Zoom forgot that Keybase users are more likely from the more technical end of the spectrum and thus more security conscious.
Re: Et Tu, Signal?
#240I definitely agree with the article that it felt a bit like a betrayal. I've pushed some friends and family to use it over Telegram despite significant usability issue, and now I see that instead of implementing some IMO basic features like proper message sync and easy backup when you get a new phone, they prefer to implement a... micropayment system? Based on some niche altcoin which doesn't even exist on mainstream…
Telegram is just so much more usable than Signal. The perceived advantage of Signal over Telegram is LITERALLY not having an option for a cloud-synced chat and ONLY having end to end encrypted chats. That's all. You give up of usability to get that advantage. Explain to your mom why she has to give up Telegram to get basically the same functionality as Telegram secret chats. Signals crypto is used by Facebook and was…
Signal's by default e2e encrypted chats can be used across platforms, e.g. synced across desktop and mobile.
Telegram's secret chats are only available on the device where you initiated them. That's a major disadvantage.