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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by dang »

nightwing wrote: post #229
dang wrote: post #186

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Please don't start or perpetuate flamewars on HN. They're tedious and nasty and we're trying for curious conversation. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26683670 .

I'll try to be more careful in the future, but what part of my comment was more controversial and flame war provoking than sibling comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26684910 ?

You perpetuated it as well as starting it. Your comments were probably more provocative also—but even if not, what another user does isn't really relevant. We don't come close to seeing all the comments that get posted here, so moderation can't be either complete or consistent, and each user needs to follow the rules regardless of what other commenters are up to.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by Thorrez »

vimax wrote: post #82
iudqnolq wrote: post #30

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I don't care morally about the DMCA, but you're a dick if you pull pranks on your child pornography reporting form > For reasons that are unclear, the web form that the two men drew up for reporting gruesome images is designed in such a way that the system can only handle five reports an hour. That is unworkable, according to the hotline.

I might care more once laws start protecting children from those in power more than used by those in power as a ploy to dismantle privacy from ordinary people.

>used by those in power as a ploy to dismantle privacy from ordinary people.

Is there anything in the article indicating that child porn policies are being used to reduce ordinary people's privacy? From the article it sounds like they just want the child porn taken down, not any details about anyone.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by tgv »

rowanG077 wrote: post #228
tgv wrote: post #211

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The good it does is spreading it less. Demanding that a measure has to eradicate child pornography in order for it to be acceptable is ridiculous. Hosting companies take responsibility, because they knowingly and willingly host content that's beyond the jurisdiction of the company's country's legislature. It can't be that a string of copper wire across a border is enough to remove liability.

It's not spreading less. Besides I never said a measure has to eradicate child porn for it to be acceptable. Compare it to having acne. It's not recommended to pop the abscesses because it does nothing to treat the underlying issue and a week later you have them again. What you need to do is treat the underlying condition. Attacking hosters for hosting child porn is the same thing as popping acne ascesses. Sure you h…

Of course it will spread less. How much do you hear of Trump these days? How often does he tweet?

> What you need to do is find the people that are making and spreading child porn.

They're somewhere too corrupt to care.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by rowanG077 »

tgv wrote: post #233
rowanG077 wrote: post #228

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It's not spreading less. Besides I never said a measure has to eradicate child porn for it to be acceptable. Compare it to having acne. It's not recommended to pop the abscesses because it does nothing to treat the underlying issue and a week later you have them again. What you need to do is treat the underlying condition. Attacking hosters for hosting child porn is the same thing as popping acne ascesses. Sure you h…

Of course it will spread less. How much do you hear of Trump these days? How often does he tweet? > What you need to do is find the people that are making and spreading child porn. They're somewhere too corrupt to care.

Yes not being President of the USA does make a person less in the spotlight. Not sure what your point is.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by oneplane »

AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #230
oneplane wrote: post #104

Odd to see so many people come up with ways to defend this unethical business. It's hard to pin it on them legally but they are still dicks doing dicky things, they know it and they do it on purpose, and there is no clear way to fight it.

Most data centers with the reviews these guys have would not last. This one is able to find a market because despite everything bad they do, there's a strong market demand to overcome ridiculous DMCA, GDPR, and other internet regulations. They can be a shitty service provider in every conceivable way, but because they are able to exist in a void instigated upon us by bad legislation, they can continue on in a way oth…

They don't exist because of some anti-conformity, they exist because there are people in the world that like to host malware, spam and child pornography. That is why they exist and the only reason they exist.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by anigbrowl »

fallingknife wrote: post #6

> When the hoster receives an official request from the US to remove copyrighted materials – a DMCA takedown notice – the men do nothing about it, says a person who saw it happen. „DMCAs are just tossed in the wastepaper basket.” Subletters even advertise this ‘service’. „DMCA ignored” reads one advertisement offering space in the „state of the art Ecatel DataCenter, located in Amsterdam”. The Dutch hosting company d…

Many jurisdictions interoperate on the basis of reciprocity. You can discuss this without sarcasm and hyperbole.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by anigbrowl »

vimax wrote: post #199
edf13 wrote: post #194

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There should be no upper level you start caring about child protection - every level counts, whether it is a hosting company or others high up

When did I say I didn't care about protecting children? I said I didn't care about a hosting company throwing DMCA complaints in the trash, and I refuse to give into any bullying that says supporting free speech is the same thing as hurting children.

DARVO. You did not say you didn't care about DMCA complaints, you responded to a point about 'a web form for reporting gruesome images.' Nobody bullied you.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by [deleted] »

exporectomy wrote: post #146
kernoble wrote: post #102

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So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

It would help if people critical of the distribution of child porn would make rational arguments without displaying obvious anger but this is a topic that somehow brings out the hate in people. You're just revealing that you don't have the ability to objectively consider what you're talking about and your opinion is worth no more than a Christian's negative opinion of blasphemy. Are you OK with people using God's nam…

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by timeslip1523 »

sofixa wrote: post #222
mdpopescu wrote: post #202

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> But the answer is not to stop having laws. Why? Serious question. When are laws too many? (According to some history, 10 laws were too many and most people were ignoring them.) Are a trillion laws too many? A billion? A million? A thousand? What if we had a thousand laws, but each law had a million pages? (I'm pretty sure we're at over a billion pages of laws if we take into account all the laws in the world - as m…

Never? Counting laws is an exercise of futility. Content, not numbers should matter. If it takes a billion small laws to cover everything needed, so be it, who cares?

Now nobody can understand the law,and everybkdy's committing 100 crimes a day; the legal system just prosecutes selectively anyone who sticks out. Great job.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by ric2b »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #86
kazen44 wrote: post #83

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not really, DMCA is not binding by dutch law. If however, they get a request from a dutch/european authority, they would have to respond to that.

It might count as being notified of illegal material which they are required by Dutch law to remove.

Is it even possible to have copyright over illegal content?

Like can a child pornographer sue someone for pirating their content? Sounds absurd to me.

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