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Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by failwhaleshark »

snemvalts wrote: post #201
kbos87 wrote: post #179

I previously owned a VW, but swore on my life that I'd never buy another one after the emissions cheating scandal. There are plenty of reasons why a VW likely wont be my next choice, but I'm softening my stance a bit. What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later fo…

Are you aware of the fact that most companies cheated with emissions? Volkswagen was just a scapegoat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#/medi...

They were the first discovered by ICCT, and the media latched onto that. They should've waited to release their findings because their subsequent test results went widely unnoticed.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by dalbasal »

pySSK wrote: post #222
dalbasal wrote: post #200

If this isn't a joke, it actually does make sense. Easier to pronounce in english. Means electric car... the growth category. Why not? "Volkswagen" is big enough that the name just means the company/product. But, it isn't really good brand name for an anglo market. You either can't pronounce it, or the literal connotation makes you a little uncomfortable.

I guess Tesla and Faraday were already taken. This is ridiculous. I hope this is a case of an April fools joke delivered according to German punctuality.

Personally I'm a fan of fluidity. I have no problem with voltswagen as an aka. Why not. Brand names change, evolve.

If it is a deadpan joke, I kind of like it too. Overall, I can see no reason for outrage of any kind.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by failwhaleshark »

jtreminio wrote: post #216
snemvalts wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware of the fact that most companies cheated with emissions? Volkswagen was just a scapegoat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#/medi...

> I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later found to be doing

News reporters are like parrots. They don't really know anything but mimic whatever they hear.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by whoisthemachine »

agrafix wrote: post #4

Hmm did they release their April 1 joke too early by mistake?

I think it's likely they're feeling that their EV product isn't compelling enough to stand out on its own, so they need to do something ridiculous to capture attention and hopefully gain market share in the EV market.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by nebolo »

milkytron wrote: post #205
gaoshan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given where they are today would they need to do to cause you to believe they have changed?

If they ran a campaign of donating to environmental protection charities, carbon capture, or some other means of protecting the planet, with a value equal to that of the money of the revenue of their diesel cheating vehicles sales, I would say they have changed. Until then, I still think they are doing what they do for the sake of profit.

If they did what you suggest, wouldn't you also conclude that they are doing it for the sake of (future) profit?

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by silentsea90 »

JoshTko wrote: post #220

Aside from the odd naming change, the main purpose of a move like this is to signal to employees the extent that the organization is making a shift. It may especially be necessary for such a long standing organization such as VW.

+1 The cynics here are a bit blind to how deep rooted the intent to change must be, down to changing the name of the company. Win or lose, this is strictly better for humanity than the gas fueled past

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by failwhaleshark »

aidenn0 wrote: post #218
kbos87 wrote: post #179

I previously owned a VW, but swore on my life that I'd never buy another one after the emissions cheating scandal. There are plenty of reasons why a VW likely wont be my next choice, but I'm softening my stance a bit. What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later fo…

My dad used to joke that if you wanted sneakers that were not made by child labor, your best bet was whichever manufacturer last got into trouble for it because of all the extra scrutiny. That this level of fatalism about immoral acts exists is a failure of society as a whole. I suspect that all of those who got rich either knowingly or being willfully ignorant about emissions cheating walked away completely unpunish…

I heard old Nike Jordans are unwearable because the soles crumble with age. Is that the case?

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

snemvalts wrote: post #201
kbos87 wrote: post #179

I previously owned a VW, but swore on my life that I'd never buy another one after the emissions cheating scandal. There are plenty of reasons why a VW likely wont be my next choice, but I'm softening my stance a bit. What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later fo…

Are you aware of the fact that most companies cheated with emissions? Volkswagen was just a scapegoat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#/medi...

> What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later found to be doing -

> That doesn't make it any less wrong, but it does put them back on par with just about every other auto manufacturer in my mind. And it does seem (as others have cited) like there was some genuine change that followed.

Thanks for bringing that to our attention, but I think there’s a slight chance they might be aware already.

Re: Voltswagen of America

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Post by lumost »

aidenn0 wrote: post #218
kbos87 wrote: post #179

I previously owned a VW, but swore on my life that I'd never buy another one after the emissions cheating scandal. There are plenty of reasons why a VW likely wont be my next choice, but I'm softening my stance a bit. What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later fo…

My dad used to joke that if you wanted sneakers that were not made by child labor, your best bet was whichever manufacturer last got into trouble for it because of all the extra scrutiny. That this level of fatalism about immoral acts exists is a failure of society as a whole. I suspect that all of those who got rich either knowingly or being willfully ignorant about emissions cheating walked away completely unpunish…

it's almost impossible to effectively regulate externalities in a global economy. Local regulators are not inclined to care about products sold overseas and all products compete with the lowest common regulatory framework.

All it takes for child labor to enter into the supply chain is one bad regulator and a couple levels of outsourcing. The final "complete" product becomes nearly impossible to audit.

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