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Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by vinger » Sat, Feb 27, 2021, 11:49 PM UTC

jjeaff wrote: post #228

covidthrow wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that "problem" presupposes an upward or stagnant trend, which are not demonstrably true. Then the admittedly harmful act of racism was used to accelerate resolution of "that problem". Here's the problem with that: - it was not demonstrated that other more productive forms of change were ineffective; in fact, history shows there has been tremendous progress in the absence of "racism to fight racism" - it has not…

A steady forward trend of progress seems quite reasonable. As long as you are not the one who was on the receiving end of past injustice. In basketball, if someone gets fouled while trying to make a shot, is it unfair that everyone has to stand back while the person fouled gets to shoot free throws just because they are wearing the same color uniform? It would be great if we could leave race out of the equation when…

Revenge feels great but wears off quickly.

Racism to make up for past racism reenforces divisions and keeps racism aliveb

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by papertokyo » Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 2:46 PM UTC

airhead969 wrote: post #93

I don't understand the basis of this complaint. They knowingly went around the Shopify rev share by using their own payment gateway. Seems like Shopify called them out for misbehaving. Anyhow: For larger shops, self-host and find a good payment gateway. SaaS that takes a percentage will bleed you dry.

For larger shops, the pricing for SaaS platforms like Shopify and friends is less than 0.5% of GMV.

If that's too much, the business has bigger problems that certainly won't be solved by self-hosting or maintaining their own homegrown backend.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by tomaszs » Mon, Mar 01, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

victorNicollet wrote: post #125

tomaszs wrote: post #53

From a user perspective it is better for me to have one invoice from Shopify, in the right format with all necessary information and with additional tax documents required by law. If I had to set up payments for each extension and go through gathering invoices and documents it would be devastating. So as long as I understand the author I also understand why Shopify wants the billing API to be used. Also easy pay = mo…

On the other hand, if you pay $2000/month for some other service, you may be unhappy with having to pay an additional $500 just to have it connect to Shopify to expose some data.

I don't know what costs so much. But I know gathering documentation from multiple small vendors across the world, additional taxes can be more expensive than $500

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by derrickchao » Wed, Mar 03, 2021, 12:49 AM UTC

jameslk wrote: post #26

Can you create a private app for each of your customers? I know it would be a lot more challenging and you wouldn't get free marketing from Shopify's app store, but from my understanding private apps aren't subject to Shopify's commission and at least you would have more control over your business. https://www.shopify.com/partners/terms#section-c2-2 > Unless otherwise indicated in this Agreement or agreed to by Shopi…

You could in theory, but this requires having each merchant go into their admin and manually grant you scopes and then copy/paste the api key and secret to you. Definitely not a scalable way to go about it.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by jjeaff » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 8:49 AM UTC

vinger wrote: post #231

jjeaff wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A steady forward trend of progress seems quite reasonable. As long as you are not the one who was on the receiving end of past injustice. In basketball, if someone gets fouled while trying to make a shot, is it unfair that everyone has to stand back while the person fouled gets to shoot free throws just because they are wearing the same color uniform? It would be great if we could leave race out of the equation when…

Revenge feels great but wears off quickly. Racism to make up for past racism reenforces divisions and keeps racism aliveb

Restitution has nothing to do with revenge.

Re: Shopify says remove Stripe billing or get booted from their app store

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Post by jjeaff » Mon, Mar 08, 2021, 9:14 AM UTC

covidthrow wrote: post #229

jjeaff wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A steady forward trend of progress seems quite reasonable. As long as you are not the one who was on the receiving end of past injustice. In basketball, if someone gets fouled while trying to make a shot, is it unfair that everyone has to stand back while the person fouled gets to shoot free throws just because they are wearing the same color uniform? It would be great if we could leave race out of the equation when…

> In basketball, if someone gets fouled while trying to make a shot, is it unfair that everyone has to stand back while the person fouled gets to shoot free throws just because they are wearing the same color uniform? Thank you for your very interesting example! I'll try to address it: I believe this analogy to be erroneous. An appropriate example would fall somewhere along the lines of the following: Imagine, in bas…

>During a later game—years later, when none of the original players play for either team anymore

But of course, life is not like discrete games all played by unrelated teams in a vacuum. Imagine if points were cumulative (you know, like wealth, social capital, culture) and those points were passed down after each game forever. Well then of course it would make sense for a much later team to have to stand while the team that was wronged gets a few free throws.

No one is saying we should take points away from the team that fouled and give them to the team that was wronged. Just give them a few free throws.

There is nothing about any plans I have seen that could qualify as "vengeance".

A free throw isn't vengeance.

I would encourage you to read up on the history of opposition to the civil rights movement in America and note how clearly many of your ideas echo that opposition.

The, "if we give them a chance, that might cause us the slightest tinge of possible harm, so we cannot give them that chance" has been the mantra since immediately after the emancipation proclamation and has been repeated ever since.