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Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by aksss » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 8:54 PM UTC

m0ngr31 wrote: post #146

aksss wrote: post #142

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That would have been interesting for many, many reasons, the poetry of which being the least interesting. They're a sovereign nation so what happens when you manufacture guns in Indian country? How beholden are you to the BATF's regs, assuming you build with the intention of the firearm never leaving the res?

That is an interesting question... Not sure what the answer would be. But I'm pretty sure they are still under federal law, just not individual states. So probably personal manufacturing fine, for sale (even on the res) would require an FFL.

Seems the BATF thinks tribes are under their thumb, but then, that’s no different than how they regard everyone. These aren’t exactly applicable but seem to demonstrate that BATF has no problem enforcing its regs and the federal laws in Indian Country.

“tribal police departments generally do not qualify for the exemption from payment of the transfer tax for NFA firearms, are not eligible to receive firearms interstate, and can not possess a ‘post-1986’ machinegun.”[0]

“federal authorities alleged Ho-Chunk Inc. and its subsidiaries had violated federal tobacco laws by shipping and selling “untaxed, unstamped cigarettes to businesses in Nebraska other states.”[1]

[0] https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/nfa-transfers-trib...

[1] https://www.indianz.com/News/2019/02/04/winnebago-tribe-stil...

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by sofixa » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 8:58 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #220

yoz-y wrote: post #86

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There are a lot of countries where the populace isn't generally armed and they are doing just fine. It's not like America is the only free country out there.

Yeah a good part of the reason those countries aren't Chinese, German, or Russian provinces right now is America.

Citation needed.

If anything, a lot of nations were subjugated with the help of or by the US.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by Spooky23 » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

da_big_ghey wrote: post #194

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #180

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Your honesty is refreshing, and psychopathic.

> psychopathic That is a needless personal attack, and I notice that you fail to make a coherent argument against what I said. Do you favor protections against unreasonable search and seizure only until too many criminals benefit from it? My point is that some people value liberty higher than life. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to say why, though I honestly don't know that you'll change my mind on that.

That's not cool, it's not psychopathic to hold a different principle.

IMO, this is similar to things like unreasonable search and seizure, where there is a robust set of laws, regulation and court judgements to guide government activity.

Until relatively recently, the notion of having a well regulated environment in this area was broadly accepted. But... many of the pro-gun-sales crowd peddles in doom in the name of selling stuff.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by nickthemagicman » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:03 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #180

da_big_ghey wrote: post #150

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You will find that many of us gun rights supporters don't care what data comes out. I don't support 2a because fewer than n people die per year from guns.

Your honesty is refreshing, and psychopathic.

Some people value principles higher than human life and that is noble not psychopathic.

Millions of men died for their principles so you could sit here, and call having principles psychopathic.

Are the millions of men who purposefully sacrificed their own lives for this idea we call liberty psychopaths?

Modern Liberty is an anomaly in human history where the rule has been repression and subjugation for millenia.

People forget so easily. The decisions we make when we're comfortable will comeback to haunt us when things get uncomfortable.

Also, I'm flagging you for blatant personal attacks which violates like every HN guideline.

Without a coherent argument it's just an emotional attack.

You need to think about how unaware you are and maybe get some principles yourself.

Please keep the personal attacks to yourself and discuss ideas.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by nickthemagicman » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

1MoreThing wrote: post #214

da_big_ghey wrote: post #194

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> psychopathic That is a needless personal attack, and I notice that you fail to make a coherent argument against what I said. Do you favor protections against unreasonable search and seizure only until too many criminals benefit from it? My point is that some people value liberty higher than life. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to say why, though I honestly don't know that you'll change my mind on that.

> Psychopathy is a condition characterized by the absence of empathy and the blunting of other affective states. Callousness, detachment, and a lack of empathy... That doesn't seem like a personal attack so much as pointing out that this belief lacks empathy and is callous, which I tend to agree with. The standard argument, which I'm sure you're aware of, is that some controls and regulations on the ownership of fire…

So the millions of men who sacrificed their own lives to defend this principle of liberty psychopaths?

Being principled and having higher ideals is not callous. It's the most noble thing a person can do.

The fact that people view it this way is very bad sign for how selfish and callous Americans have become.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by s5300 » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #171

pjkundert wrote: post #162

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There is a large overlap between any serious engineering discipline and firearms enthusiasts. The engineering and physics involved in building/tuning guns and shooting accurately is very interesting. Furthermore, the "renegade" spirit required to reject the status-quo and push the envelope in science and engineering attracts quite a few of the same types of people. Finally, the idea of "banning" guns -- which every b…

>>There is a large overlap between any serious engineering discipline and firearms enthusiasts. Again, surely you mean in the US ? All engineers I have ever worked with or met are almost the exact opposite of this. IMHO ;-)

US Mechanical engineer here from a very left leaning University

Can confirm we love our guns from the engineering aspect among other reasons

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

nickthemagicman wrote: post #235

1MoreThing wrote: post #214

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> Psychopathy is a condition characterized by the absence of empathy and the blunting of other affective states. Callousness, detachment, and a lack of empathy... That doesn't seem like a personal attack so much as pointing out that this belief lacks empathy and is callous, which I tend to agree with. The standard argument, which I'm sure you're aware of, is that some controls and regulations on the ownership of fire…

So the millions of men who sacrificed their own lives to defend this principle of liberty psychopaths? Being principled and having higher ideals is not callous. It's the most noble thing a person can do. The fact that people view it this way is very bad sign for how selfish and callous Americans have become.

> Being principled and having higher ideals is not callous. It's the most noble thing a person can do.

Having ideals is exactly noble, or ignoble, as the ideals. There is nothing noble about devotion to ideas independent of the ideas one is devoted to.

“A world free of Jews” is an ideal people have been devoted to. People who were more devoted to that idea and willing to sacrifice more for it are not more noble than those less devoted by reason of their devotion.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by HideousKojima » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #230

HideousKojima wrote: post #190

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Or you could simply add additional penalties for commiting actual violent crimes with weapons, which we already do. See, for example, strongarm robbery vs armed robbery. That way criminals are punished for misuse of firearms while law abiding owners don't have their rights infringed.

And how is that working out? Last time i checked, the US was leading in violent crime, death and suicide by guns, mass shootings, etc. among developed nations, by a lot .

Why does it matter if someone is murdered by a gun vs. cut into cubes by a cartel or brained with a hammer or anything else? If you don't limit it to murders and suicides by guns, your claim is flatly untrue. Japan's suicide rate is greater than the US's murders and suicides combined. Russia has far more murders despite having fairly restrictive gun laws.

In any case, the US is inherently more violent and criminal than other nations in general independent of guns. It also has extremely violent subpopulations centered in major urban centers that tilt the numbers significantly. Outside of a few specific cities like Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, etc. the US is extremely peaceful and low in crime.

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by yaacov » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:18 PM UTC

pjkundert wrote: post #162

lutoma wrote: post #102

Honest question: How is this relevant to Hacker News? As a non-American i was rather bewildered to find this here. Is there a serious overlap between gun enthusiasts and the IT community in the US?

There is a large overlap between any serious engineering discipline and firearms enthusiasts. The engineering and physics involved in building/tuning guns and shooting accurately is very interesting. Furthermore, the "renegade" spirit required to reject the status-quo and push the envelope in science and engineering attracts quite a few of the same types of people. Finally, the idea of "banning" guns -- which every b…

> Finally, the idea of "banning" guns -- which every basically qualified engineer or physicist should be capable to building from readily available materials and tools -- makes them even more interesting. If for no other reason than to illuminate preposterous and insulting nature of the idea.

By this logic, almost nothing should be banned, do you endorse that position?

Re: Czech gunmaker CZG buys Colt in cash and stock deal

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Post by ryandrake » Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 9:18 PM UTC

ggreer wrote: post #208

barnaclejive wrote: post #191

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That is an interesting anecdote. Here is another - No engineers I've worked with cared about guns at all.

Are you sure? Most gun enthusiasts at tech companies are in the closet. Had I known just how much my bosses hate guns (all the way up to the CEO), I would have kept my mouth shut about my hobby. It would be an amazing coincidence if none of your coworkers were interested in guns. Around 30% of Californians have at least one gun in their home. Naively extrapolating: that means if you have 15 coworkers, there is a 99.5…

Back in the early 2000s I worked at a company where we did a fun “Bring Your Gun to Work day” on Wednesdays. Instead of going to a restaurant at lunchtime we went to the shooting range instead. Was a really popular activity, probably 1/3 of the office participated. Some people brought several guns to try.

Good times! Could never do this these days in Silicon Valley though :(