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70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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They sided against the US government (and with Russia) years ago.

Has anyone leaked something about Russia that was then denied by Wikileaks? It could be that the US has a more active community of investigative journalists.

Apparently, yes: https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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post #214

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> media told me I create a Parler account myself out of curiosity's sake. The platform had basically no moderation, and was rife with open calls to violence. It was absolutely serving as a recruitment & coordination site for domestic terrorism.

Didn't we learn from 4/8chan that letting people post whatever they want (semi-)anonymously leads to disgusting behavior?

I think it's also that unmoderated forums become a magnet for people who want to spew hate, rather than anonymity inherently leading regular people into such behavior (though maybe the former causes some of the latter).

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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post #214

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> media told me I create a Parler account myself out of curiosity's sake. The platform had basically no moderation, and was rife with open calls to violence. It was absolutely serving as a recruitment & coordination site for domestic terrorism.

Didn't we learn from 4/8chan that letting people post whatever they want (semi-)anonymously leads to disgusting behavior?

Older than that, here’s a take from 2004: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

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You can't be serious. There were literally millions of users on the platform.

Per Wikipedia, the count of active users was 4M. And that's about right for the community of active "MAGA head" republicans in question.

A lot of the horror and cognitive dissonance of this moment is that the mob the President aimed at Congress on Wednesday was not a weird or fringe group. They were just his fans. Look at the crowd, along with the armored people smashing windows and beating cops were smiling grandparents with flags. It's all the same group.

The overlap between "mainstream republican" and "right wing terrorist" in our society has become horrifyingly blurred. So a lot of sincere attempts to address extremism look like "censoring republicans".

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

I'm not gonna lie: I find it very difficult to be upset by this when the site was a haven for people who want to mass executions for people like me. For me, the world is a little more complex than "privacy at all costs." It's hard to decide where to draw the line.

My impressions is that everyone whinging about privacy with regards to giving seditionists and terrorists a space to coordinate and share misinformation after the biggest attack on the US since 9/11 are just being contrarian or are absolutist to a fault in their libertarian ideals (which I mostly share).

People minimizing this attack and not treating it like a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis for the US are not considering the propaganda win this is for extremist groups domestically and autocratic regimes internationally. Could this be a slippery slope? Sure, but it's not as slippery as the other side of the slope which goes right off a cliff.

There is still plenty of time/space to have debates about how to move forward from here with moderation and privacy on social networks, but for now we are in the middle of an insurrection that needs to be put down.

Also, should another attack take place couldn't platforms knowingly providing services to the capitol attackers find themselves liable for providing material support for terrorists? If I were managing risk at AWS that definitely be a major concern.

My POV, if we wouldn't have a problem doing it to ISIS after an attack on our Capitol, then we shouldn't have problem doing the same to QAnon and these "patriots".

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Huh? Wikileaks is where people go to publish evidence of government crimes, not Granddad's chats with his friends.

Wikileaks leaked John Podesta's emails, including such criminal activity as his recipe for risotto.

The point is that finding a vuln and investigating it to the extent required to prove it works is security researcher behavior. Actually exploiting it and dumping all of a site's user data is malicious. If he had leaked stuff relevant to the capitol riots or something, maybe understandable, though using the vuln to do so would still have been wrong.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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I generally agree that information from here related to the attack is in the public interest. But this is going to also reveal people who had no part of it. I don't think it's fair to justify revealing innocent peoples data.

The rules are different when the democracy is at stake, as this country's history should have taught you.

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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This story truly terrifies me: my team owns my company's sign up page. (I speak for myself and not them, of course). Sounds like Parler, fearing that their OTP provider might go down, decided to fail-open, ie: if the dependency throws an exception, presume there's something wrong with the dependency and that the code provided is acceptable. It never occurred to them that the dependency could be down permanently, or t…

The old age question with fail-closed is then not locking yourself out when things go wrong Everything has/should have a "break window" escape, and yes, that's a security weakness, but I don't see many alternatives to that.

The platform operator should have such a mechanism, yes. Not randos on the Internet the moment a critical dependency fails.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

The 2nd most upvoted comment is about that. The most is about how the Parler developers are inept.
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