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Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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You got caught by the spam filter dude. No conspiracy here.

Its not a spam filter. I am not posting too fast in trying to reply to responses. The reason I am blocked is because my opinions are not popular and they are downvoted. This is the issue: HN is an echo chamber. Those who can downvote (those with 500+ upvotes) can downvote others and maintain the echo chamber. A function of the design is to take away the right of reply from those whose opinion they do not like.

It is probably a spam filter, downvotes are an imperfect proxy for post quality. Tons of low quality posts is a form of spam. You don't have to be posting links to things you want to sell to be spamming.

No offense to you but typically there isn't a ton of value to someones posts that are repeatedly downvoted. They tend to be repetitive. I didn't look at yours so am not making a judgement on your statements but instead on others I have seen.

So an algorithm to slow down posts of that kind make sense even if it isn't perfect.

No one sees a post with a huge number of replies and assumes that since not every reply is replied back the person gave up. It is generally known that keeping up is hard when you are outnumbered.

You should keep that in mind and focus your efforts. If you get a bunch of replies focus on the upvoted ones first since then your reply will be more prominent as well. Ensure you aren't repeating your points, while some people carpet bomb replies most only do that when they are substantially similar.

On the topic of the post I replied to you got caught by several reasons for downvotes:

* Spreading a conspiracy. You emphatically say that those in power are lying. * Providing no evidence or even examples really. You have to back up extreme rhetoric with robust supporting evidence. You didn't provide any. * Bad place to make a stand. You chose to complain about overbearing tech companies on a topic about Twitter stopping people calling for the death of the VP. Direct calls for violence are agreed to be bad for everyone so using it as a jumping board for overbearing tech companies is a bad idea. * You finally used yourself as the example of overbearing tech companies. Never ever do this. You are incredibly biased about your own actions. You understand why you are taking them and give yourself immense benefit of the doubt. Using a literal spam filter as an example of what is wrong with tech because you personally got caught by it is a fundamentally flawed argument. You are incapable of reasonably inspecting the quality of your own posts.

Finally your original post is woefully ignorant. No one can know whether the election was stolen based on their own knowledge. No man is an island I believe is the phrase. The actual information required to prove that without a doubt is impossible to obtain. You need to have the data summarized to stand a chance. So by saying "acting on stuff that you don't know" after making it obvious you don't believe in secondary sources you are showing that you are making a fundamentally flawed argument.

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

#232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not a spam filter. I am not posting too fast in trying to reply to responses. The reason I am blocked is because my opinions are not popular and they are downvoted. This is the issue: HN is an echo chamber. Those who can downvote (those with 500+ upvotes) can downvote others and maintain the echo chamber. A function of the design is to take away the right of reply from those whose opinion they do not like.

It is probably a spam filter, downvotes are an imperfect proxy for post quality. Tons of low quality posts is a form of spam. You don't have to be posting links to things you want to sell to be spamming. No offense to you but typically there isn't a ton of value to someones posts that are repeatedly downvoted. They tend to be repetitive. I didn't look at yours so am not making a judgement on your statements but inste…

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I appreciate you attempting to 'set me straight'. All the best.

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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> Hah... so, did you verify this stuff about MSM being a force to mislead? Its obvious. If you look at what is presented, you are given lots of claims, but very few facts. Its just a load of evidence-free noise. What's to evaluate?! Seriously, look a little deeper at almost any article. There is no actual information there. The question you should ask - critically - is how do I know this to be true? And if you don't…

I also get the "you're posting too fast" messages... Sarcasm follows: But oooh yeah, it's a giant conspiracy, everyone's out to suppress your views!

If your views are aligned with what the echo chamber agrees with, you will be able to reply. If you do not get the echo chamber's approval, you are downvoted and cannot reply.

What's the conspiracy?! Its a fact.

But yes - it really does mean that my views are suppressed. I cannot reply to others as I would like.

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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I'm glad they halted that. But it reduces the common area we can even discuss anything going on this week in politics. Taking a step back... We've got these two sides. Regardless of the merits, each side believes they know the truth, and that the other side is delusional. And it is easy enough to engage with your media outlets of choice, and get your beliefs reinforced. How can we have a meaningful discussion as a na…

>How can we have a meaningful discussion as a nation, when there is no apparent common ground? No set of agreed-upon facts?

I think that's the important thing right there. Echo chambers and identity politics have divided the USA greatly.

The way forward is not to divide more. For example Biden inferring that Trump is hitler and calling Senator Cruz Goebbels the nazi propaganda minister is not going to heal the divide.

>Now I of course have my own very strong opinions and I'm sure I have a good comprehension of the truth. But that isn't going to convince anyone on the other side anymore. To people on one side, the other side's minds appear to be just poisoned.

Imagine this for a second. Say you are going to spend all your waking hours reading the news. You could read every major source. You could review videos, pictures, you could have a good knowledge of what's going on in a small part of the world. You wont know what's going in 90%+ of the world.

The problem is that you cant do that. You dont have the time to do that and so you only look at a few sources. We then have the problem that the news cant be trusted. It's beyond clear that they publish outright lies.

That's why we have these delusion vs reality issues. To fix this problem isn't to give people more time. It certainly isn't to remove opposing viewpoints.

When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say. -George RR Martin

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