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Yes, but it doesn't really disprove the assertion that lockdown's work. It more proves that the other approaches they tried either dont work or weren't applied effectively.
I suppose, but it also means that the conclusion above (that lockdowns excluding schools works) isn't based on any evidence.
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Yesterday there were some interesting stats shown for Germany. Before the 2nd soft lockdown in November the age bracket of 20 - 35 was the 2nd highest in terms of infections per 100k (within the last 7 days). Only topped by the age bracket 80+. During our second lockdown the increase in cases did slow down a bit, but only a bit. One could argue, that the soft lockdown didn't really work that well, as it didn't turn t…
At least in Berlin, it was the same during the first lockdown: infections among younger people peaked one or two weeks earlier than among older people. You can see this very well in the heatmap of cases by age group here: https://www.berlin.de/corona/lagebericht/desktop/corona.html...
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Yes, but it doesn't really disprove the assertion that lockdown's work. It more proves that the other approaches they tried either dont work or weren't applied effectively.
I suppose, but it also means that the conclusion above (that lockdowns excluding schools works) isn't based on any evidence.
Within a week, positive tests started declining significantly. The lockdown ended on the 2nd of December.
Within a week, positive tests started going up again.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/covid-cases-an...
There is plenty of evidence that lockdowns do work. Whether they make sense from an economic or overall quality of life perspective is a separate issue. But they work.
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> We went into a tough lockdown, stamped out the virus Unfortunately no one here in the USA in a position of power recognizes that this should be the goal. Instead the lockdowns last only long enough for the ICU capacity to free up, then reopening the economy becomes the major goal. We need to stamp this virus out entirely, like you and your neighbors in NZ and TW have done.
Why should the US have an extremely costly lockdown (which will almost certainly fail) to stamp out a virus for which we will have a vaccine being rolled out in a week? Mask orders and other low-impact restrictions are great but I don't understand why you would try to get rid of the virus with lockdowns at this point.
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Places like UK did a hard lockdown for 6 weeks and kept schools open. It completely worked. Yes, kids can transmit the virus, but it appears that as long as the ADULTS limit their interaction with other adults, kids have only a limited way of encountering infections.
Take a look at the data here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare - for example, the "Patients in hospital" data. The UK's number of COVID-19 patients in hospital peaked at 19,500 in mid-April and fell to 800 by the start of September. That's despite things like the 'eat out to help out' scheme that ran until the end of August. Schools and colleges re-opened in September [1] and the government started…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/covid-cases-an...
We shouldn't expect hospitalised cases to fall immediately - although they have been falling for the past week or so. Lockdowns - even excluding schools - clearly are effective at reducing transmission rates below 1. Unfortunately the lesser measures we're currently under don't seem to be - as cases have plateaued and are starting to rise again.
It's just disappointing that, if true, the opposite doesn't work. If only this happened: the gov says "We choose to do no lockdowns, and just have a list of suggestions. No need to follow them. Do your normal activities" and the response: "You can't tell me what to do! Screw you! I'm going to wear masks AND distance, esp among vulnerable populations! Do my normal activities my foot! So there, suck it!".
Reverse psychology always seems to work better in marketing, and low budget movies and sitcoms.
Reading this I was expecting the same knee-jerk, panic response that has become the "acceptable" public health response to the problem the pandemic places before us. While I detect a hint of futility in this statement, I am nonetheless deeply heartened to know some public health officials are themselves questioning some of the simplistic premises that have been driving policy to this point at all levels of government…
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I despise lockdowns and my state won't enforce them. I am so thankful to be in a level headed state. Forcing people into poverty is just as bad or even worse as getting a virus. In my area beyond after the initial reopening its business as normal. Everyone is having parties and celebrating, living a normal life.
How many excess deaths is a party worth?
Some people don't realize that the working class have jobs, and as a free people with dignity they're entitled to keep them and it shouldn't be up to some wealthy politician to declare they can't work over ill-defined risks with unproven mitigation efforts.
There is a very clear tradeoff based in uncertainty and fundamental inability to quantify risk and countermeasure effectiveness, and many people are acting as though the cost to large swathes of the population (those with the least power!) is just the price we have to pay.
None of these politicians who are pulling the levers, destroying any semblance of normal life, plunging entire working class populations into despair are at ANY risk of financial ruin or losing their livelihoods.
Meanwhile all the insufferable city liberals are shaming anyone who dares to try to sustain themselves at their job they devote themselves to in order to pay rent, feed themselves and take care of their families.
Shame on you! Enough!
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I suppose, but it also means that the conclusion above (that lockdowns excluding schools works) isn't based on any evidence.
To be clear, the UK entered a lockdown excluding schools on the 5th of November. Within a week, positive tests started declining significantly. The lockdown ended on the 2nd of December. Within a week, positive tests started going up again. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/covid-cases-an... There is plenty of evidence that lockdowns do work. Whether they make sense from an economic or overall quality of…
...because there is no data.
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> Like is missing a year of 4th grade going to be a problem for anyone? Yes definitely. I've been tutoring students in 5-7th grade for about two years, most of them benefit from tutoring because they have knowledge gaps missing from previous school years (for whatever reason). Before March this year, all the tutoring was in-person and it was relatively easy to keep them engaged and they made good progress. Now that I…
He said generations worth of damage. Come on. It might hurt a kid for her SAT if it was this or next year but to think she would have long term damage from a couple of shitty years of school, that’s preposterous. Kids are made of sterner stuff than this.