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Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers who try to form unions

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Re: Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers who try to form unions

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post #203

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As you observe, workers talking to each other to agree on prices for labor is the flip side of the coin from CEOs talking to each other to agree on prices for labor. But the latter is in fact illegal. CEOs can't talk to each other and agree to pay $10/hour for warehouse workers. Coordinating with others to set prices for labor or goods isn't viewed as within the scope of freedom of association. Union activities are i…

You don't see any power disparity here?

I do. But power disparity doesn’t have anything to do with freedom of association. It’s a different basis for allowing unionization.

Re: Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers who try to form unions

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History repeats itself. Check out the story of the Molly Maguires, a somewhat vigilante labor group in PA's coal region, who were infiltrated by an undercover Pinkerton in the late 1800s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Maguires#In_the_United_S... I'm from the region of PA where this all happened, and it's a well-known story among locals.

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It just astounds me that the Old Timey Pinkertons are still around, to be honest. That is a company that my 98 year old grandfather tells stories about from his childhood. I know there are other old companies, but Pinkerton is one of those that just sounds old fashioned.

I was reminded of their continued existence earlier this year when, in a strange reversal of fate, a Pinkerton shot and killed a pro-law enforcement protestor:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/15/matthew-dol...

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A "living wage" doesn't mean "middle class". A living wage means that a person is able to afford someplace relatively clean to live, feed themselves, afford heat in winter, etc.

> A "living wage" doesn't mean "middle class". A living wage means that a person is able to afford someplace relatively clean to live, feed themselves, afford heat in winter, etc. That's not middle class in traditional class terms ( petit bourgeois ) based on the manner of interaction with the capitalist economy, but it's pretty much requires being “middle class” by the modern American broad income categories standar…

Are you seriously arguing that whatever fraction of Americans are below "middle income category" should should be ok with not being able to house, feed, cloth, heat themselves - and somehow this would work out ok for the country as a whole?

That seems extreme.

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post #201

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> Its in the UN declaration of human rights This is, legally speaking, a meaningless document.

So is the Declaration of Independence. So is Matthew 5. What's your point?

His point is it doesn't matter what you are "guaranteed" simply because if the real world was so black and white in regards to how laws were interpreted and followed, we wouldn't be having these arguments.

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These transcripts are literal, hard to read with "it seems", "I mean", "you know", "sort of", "so". Transcripts should be be cleaned up for print.

Then they wouldn't be transcripts...

Both audio and transcripts are quite routinely cleaned up for broadcast and publication. Enough so on NPR / public radio that it's a signature. With some exceptions, but those are exceptions:

It’s no secret that pre-taped interviews on public radio are edited, sometimes considerably. Short silences and stumbles are “cleaned up.” Digressions or parenthetical remarks within an answer are removed in what are called “internal edits.” Often entire blocks of Q&A are excised. The cuts are made to bring the conversation down to time and present it in its most compelling form....

“Cleaning up” tape. This refers to removing ums and ahs, as well as stumbles and pauses, from an answer. Most of the time this is fine, as long as you are not removing something that suggested the interviewee was reluctant or unable to respond to a question....

https://training.npr.org/2019/11/12/deciding-what-parts-of-a...

My exposure to the darkroom began when I edited my first story. I sat at the digital editing console with a producer, listening to an interview with a source I had recorded earlier. With just strokes of the keyboard, he cleaned up and tightened the sound bites I was going to use, taking out sentences, words and even some of the pauses, making what are called "internal edits." Then the various thoughts were woven together technically in a way that would be totally hidden to the listener.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/130565-pul... (2003) (see Transcript)

An intelligent verbatim transcript attempts to capture what was said rather than how it was said. The main priority being content and “voice”, while leaving out repeated words and fillers.

The aim of an intelligent verbatim interview transcript has less to do with depicting accents or involuntary vocalization. It has more to do with accuracy of the substance of the research interview, considering the meanings and perceptions created and shared during a conversation. And this is why this style of transcription is so popular, because it provides a more readable transcript while staying true to the voice and intended meaning of the participants.

https://weloty.com/intelligent-verbatim-transcription/

Re: Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers who try to form unions

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Jeff Bezos has made 90 billion dollars during the pandemic. He does not need to squeeze every drop of profit.

Thing is, he does. Else his wealth would quickly evaporate, and he'd be like the CEOs of Fedex, UPS & suchlike. The fact that most of his wealth is in stocks doesn't help.

The CEO of FedEx is a billionaire. How is this "evaporated wealth"?

Re: Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers who try to form unions

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Who needs to be coherent or honest when you can thrill your listeners by smearing some company you both already hate? Things like honesty and integrity are wicked when they fail to serve the cause; this is a time for deliberate obfuscation! — npr, probably Geez, guys. There's so many good reasons to go after Amazon; you'd think one of them would be enough, but nooooo.

Amazon was recently polled to be the most trusted institution among US Democrats [0], which comprises the majority of NPR's listenership and donors. They know what they're doing. [0] http://aicpoll.com/

Two points here at least worth footnoting:

(1) That poll is from July 2018, and while that's technically recent, in terms of news about big tech that can affect perceptions, a lot's happened in the last two years.

(2) According to the poll, Amazon was the third most-trusted institution among US Republicans, just behind "military" and "local police", and was the second-most trusted institution behind the military across all respondents. I think you're putting more emphasis on partisan affiliation here with respect to Amazon than the data warrants.

Re: Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers who try to form unions

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"Pinkerton: for over one-hundred years, the ones to call when you've got a union problem." I mean, that has to be their schtick, right, even if it's unspoken? Because that pretty much sums up what I know about Pinkerton, so I would assume they are happy with that. As for the topic at hand, yeah well, that's what companies do...for over one-hundred years as well.

Somebody should try to unionize Pinkerton employees.

seems like police unions would be more fitting if my memory of history serves me right

Re: Amazon reportedly has Pinkerton agents surveil workers who try to form unions

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post #145

In 1920 Appalachia, coal companies owned all the land, the homes and stores. They also paid workers with their own special money (that was useless everywhere else). The security companies they hired where armed and violent towards miners and their families. https://explorepartsunknown.com/west-virginia/coal-minings-d... Today, people can tour these old towns and learn the history of how the coal companies trapped and…

I respect a history lesson, but honestly, I think old comrade tales are not helpful. I don't mean that it's irrelevant, strictly, but we hear more of these than 2020 tales, 2020 strategies and concerns. This is 100 year later, and despite of how many union die hards see it... most workers aren't likely to buy int a centuries long struggle. They're interested in their own lives & jobs.

Neonazis were used to intimidate immigrant workers at Amazon facilities in Germany a few years ago, so it's not exactly "history" for "old comrades.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/amazon-used-..."

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