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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by fetbaffe »

C1sc0cat wrote: post #229
fetbaffe wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you never become a native regardless how many generations you stay in a country, thus nationalism is valid point of view.

I didn't say that :-) I was commenting on the use of nativism by a politician whose grandfather was an immigrant. Though over time some groups formerly seen as undesirables become honoury whites Irish German Catholics etc. It wasn't that long ago that having a catholic president Kennedy was seen as problematic

Sure, but how is it ironic? That is what I'm trying to figure out.

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

baud147258 wrote: post #224
oytis wrote: post #170

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Birthright citizenship is pretty unique to America though. Nowhere in Europe you would find such a thing, although most people won't count Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden etc. as human right violators.

Maybe I missed something or forgot how citizenship works here in France (since I learned how it is acquired as a student), but birthright citizenship seems pretty similar to what we have here

France has a mixture of jus soli and jus sanguinis, like most countries. Pure jus soli, as in the American case, is in fact quite rare.

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Post by detaro »

arjun1296 wrote: post #217
Chris2048 wrote: post #210

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Ok. Got any examples of woke western publications expressing the opinion that Hindus/idol-worshippers are "beastly and low-life"?

https://qz.com/india/948392/why-did-winston-churchill-hate-t... http://ramachandraguha.in/archives/%E2%80%98a-beastly-people... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Winston_Church...

seriously? Someone who's generally considered to have been very racist is your reference for what people think today? Not exactly a good argument for why you should be taken seriously.

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Post by oytis »

baud147258 wrote: post #224
oytis wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Birthright citizenship is pretty unique to America though. Nowhere in Europe you would find such a thing, although most people won't count Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden etc. as human right violators.

Maybe I missed something or forgot how citizenship works here in France (since I learned how it is acquired as a student), but birthright citizenship seems pretty similar to what we have here

Just checked the wiki, looks like France defines something called double jus soli, which means a person who was born in France to a parent who themselves is born in France (even though they might not be a French citizen) gets the citizenship.

That's a bit closer to birthright citizenship that what we have in Germany, but nowhere as liberal as USA laws, which give citizenship to anyone born in the USA even if their parents entered the country one day before the birth and left next day after the birth. That is something that doesn't exist anywhere in Europe to my knowledge.

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by lambainsaan »

This is a big big news. Very sad that Amenesty is halting its work. It could be the case that Amenesty really had some problems in its Indian org, I am not a judge, not going to jump to any conclusions, but if the BJP led government is really trying to curb the work that Amenesty is doing by using central agencies that's very very scary.

I feel India is going on a wrong track, it was doing okay in regards to Democratic values until Modi came to power, and since then it is on a downwards trajectory in that department. I have not seen any media house putting out any news which condemn decision that Modi makes, all are just praising Modi for god knows what reason. This ain't even a news in India, they are all running behind Bollywood celebs.

I feel Indian people are one-two generation(s) away, most of the Indian people can't really digest democracy at the moment.

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Post by kbenson »

malware7 wrote: post #183
oa335 wrote: post #173

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What about the refugees from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jammu_massacres ?

I hope you read atleast one paragraph from that article. Also depending on how far you want to back in history, you would find that kashmir went of 0% muslim to majority muslim.

Well, if you go far enough back in history, it went frmo 0% Hindu and random other tribal religions to mostly Hindu, right?

That's the problem with "going far enough back in history", depending on how far you go, you can get rid of anything (even people), so you either need to provide bounds on how far you go back and why, justifying it, or you might as well not bring up that argument at all.

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Post by kbenson »

arjun1296 wrote: post #198
Chris2048 wrote: post #178

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> Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners.. How do you "check the realities" on these claims about foreigners?

Its pretty much evident from woke publications of western media

> Idol-worshippers like Hindus are considered beastly and low-life. So don't expect foreigners to accept what Hindus says as our moralities are going to cut through their doctrinal abhrahamic morality though they are separate religions.

Once you start telling people your opposition's views, you're stepping into territory that weakens your own argument. This is a textbook example. All you've done is spread the rhetoric of your own side about how the other side views you, which is propaganda.

In the US, this would be akin to BLM stating that anyone that disagrees with their movement is racist and sees them as sub-human, or the police stating that the defund the police movement is about disbanding the police entirely. While there are obviously subsets of people that do believe those things, those are not the stances of the respective groups and do to convey the overall aims of each.

Why should your self-serving statement that vilifies your opposition be viewed any differently?

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Post by silentguy »

malware7 wrote: post #136
throwaway4good wrote: post #129

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About 10% of India's population is muslim however in Kashmir they are a majority which I think is more or less the root cause of the Kashmir conflict.

I wonder how did muslims became majority in kashmir? Do you know? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus Now that the these refugees are coming back o their motherland, propagandists are busy labelling it as hindu occupation and minority oppression.

This is a false argument. Muslims were majority in Kashmir before the exodus of Hindus. Your wiki link states that 300,000 to 600,000 Hindus left Kashmir due to the targeted violence. Muslims were in majority even if you include a Hindu majority Jammu. (https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/share-of-muslims...)

The reason of the violence against Hindus is the Indian government's desire to fully integrate Kashmir into India and deny the special provisions Kashmir was given as precondition to merge into the Union of India.

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Post by nilsocket »

srean wrote: post #203
nilsocket wrote: post #32

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An iota of evidence?

Afzal Guru was hanged for much less. Letting article 370 reform go unchallenged would be one example. It was an opportunistic edge case that allowed the federal body to decide on a state matter because the state government was temporarily missing and a caretaker government was in charge. Court chose to look the other way. One can arguesuch opportunism is legal as far as the letter of the law is concerned. It is commo…

Yes sir, for people like you it doesn't matter, when article 370 is clearly articulated as temporary.

Afzal Guru is a terrorist. There ends the matter, but for people like you Afzal Guru is innocent even after proven guilty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHzMoltemdg

For people like it doesn't matter, when > 4Lakh people were driven out of Kashmir by radical Islamists, with slogans:

"Convert, Die and leave your women behind".

It will also not matter, when a wife is forced to eat soaked rice of her husband's blood.

It doesn't matter when women were raped, people were killed.

It also doesn't matter when so many people were being radicalized in the name of religion.

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/kashmiri-pandits-off...

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