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Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by sct202 »

ISL wrote: post #219
baxtr wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like "fight fire with fire". Who defines which part of the world is "free"?

The part where you can speak your mind without consequence from the government.

Freedom of speech is not the same in the rest of the world outside of America. Lots of European countries have hate speech laws in place where you can be convicted of crimes for speaking your mind if it's hateful. The EU has been pressuring large tech companies into self complying https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/16380526/eu-hate-speech-l...

But just the other day, there was a huge post with lots of uproar about how Google was flagging apps like mastodon for having no content standards regarding hate speech.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by Dirlewanger »

pryce wrote: post #61
bootloop wrote: post #7

Why is the US always focusing on individual companies instead of working on laws to protect them from all companies invading the privacy of their citizens? Banning one player isn't going to help much in the long run I would think. Edit: I am an EU citizen if it matters.

I am coming to believe that what we are seeing is a kind of "race" to see which aspiring superpowers will eventually control (or own) the main companies that are intentionally the most successful in invading the privacy of citizens. People can only inhabit a finite number of social media networks, and there can eventually only be a fairly small number of big players in a position to produce massively detailed rich pr…

Sounds like a new Cold War that is becoming truer every day, where the proxy countries are instead companies.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by 86J8oyZv »

fvv wrote: post #147

I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship, here we are not talking about something like explicit content, or violence censorship which belong to cultural differences, here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free. or because you try to report abuse and suppression of the ruling class this type of free speech should be guaran…

Given the arrests in Portland, does that mean every country should ban American products?

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by someonehere »

Radio Free Asia (unsure of legitimacy of this site) has stated China used TikTok data out of the Houston consulate (remember it was shut down by the State Department out of the blue and neighbors were filming the consulate burning documents in the courtyard) to manipulate the BLM protest narrative: https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3876672/posts

“The purpose was to “weaponize” big data technology. It delivered relevant materials precisely to those people who were most likely to participate in the protests, while other people could not even find those videos.”

From the article there’s mention of fake IDs. That made me think of this news item: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/shipments-of-nearly-20000-f...

Something is afoot and TikTok needs to not be here anymore.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by fvv »

kodablah wrote: post #187
fvv wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

being free does not mean that one must be completely helpless, freedom must be defended by those who want to suppress it otherwise it dies

> freedom must be defended by those who want to suppress it A Freudian typo to be sure, and sadly too representative of those pushing government software/content restrictions.

a translation typo , you can judge who is the censor in your conscience and who is censoring and if he is censoring the censor or is he more censor than who is censored.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by throwaway894345 »

seamyb88 wrote: post #152

Your police shoot unarmed black people and your president defends them. Free world my ass.

FWIW, our police also shoot unarmed white people at higher rates (than crime rates would predict, anyway) than unarmed black people. We have a police accountability problem, and we can improve it dramatically with a few relatively small tweaks (remove qualified immunity, weaken police unions, improve police training) whereas China's police violence is top-down policy.

Note that I'm only contextualizing/clarifying; I'll leave it to readers to determine which is preferable.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by omphalos »

ekianjo wrote: post #157
Retric wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As 1984 put it ‘oceania has always been at war with eurasia’ edit: eastasia . Country’s have complex relationships. At the height of the Cold War the US and USSR still had some trade. It’s really propaganda that boils things down to allies and enemies.

> It’s really propaganda that boils things down to allies and enemies. Yes and no, there are some ways of seeing things that are not really compatible. For example, the USSR wanted to export communism internationally which meant incidentally fomenting violent coups around the world to create socialist powers they could control. If you are a target of such strategies you can't seriously be "friendly" with such powers…

People are not their governments. Viewing competing governments as competition between their countries - I think that is propaganda. The US government violates the privacy of US people through mass surveillance. Now it is competing for control over social media. Yet the goal of mass surveillance of US people, which harms US people, is justified in terms of US interests.

During the cold war all sorts of things were justified because they made sense from the perspective of US (governmental) interests. The Vietnam war, the Mujahideen, the toppling of free and democratic governments. In a "realist" framework, the ends justify the means. The "ends" and "means" here are considered from the point of view of the statesman.

When the world is viewed as a chessboard between competing nations, human beings outside the decision making centers suffer - we are reduced to being expendable resources, collateral damage, in the pursuit of "national" interests.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by jeswin »

iratewizard wrote: post #185
kodablah wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think that free world should ban every company that comply with china censorship "I think the 'free' world should ban software and/or content". Condemn maybe, but it is scary to see such non-free actions encouraged against digital content.

What do you think about the banning of Cuban cigars? Genuine question, not being an ass.

If Cuba is keeping millions of people in internment camps based on religion, or taking away freedom from once-free states (HK), or making expansionist claims, or outright threatening smaller democracies like Taiwan with war and destruction - then sure, Cuban cigars should be banned.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by zaxu »

baxtr wrote: post #216
mcny wrote: post #175

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> here we are talking about not being put in jail because you say publicly that tibet should be free Expel Spain from the EU. Economic blockade. Whatever it takes. At least the UK held a referendum on Scotland. Fake promises and all but we can't jail dissidents just because they try to form a separate country in today's world.

A bit of context would surely help to put this comment into perspective.

The catalonian government, which is an autonomous community of Spain, held a referendum to secede. The Spanish shut down polling stations, but they declared independence anyways, so the central government implemented direct rule and arrested the separatist politicians responsible for it.

Re: Why we are suing the Administration

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Post by fvv »

sct202 wrote: post #231
ISL wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part where you can speak your mind without consequence from the government.

Freedom of speech is not the same in the rest of the world outside of America. Lots of European countries have hate speech laws in place where you can be convicted of crimes for speaking your mind if it's hateful. The EU has been pressuring large tech companies into self complying https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/28/16380526/eu-hate-speech-l... But just the other day, there was a huge post with lots of uproar about ho…

don't you realize that you are comparing that "hate speech" at EU level of "hate speech" with the possibility of saying free tibet? those are the same thing for you ? why I'm still replying here.. I think that I'm fighting the 50 cent party .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
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