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Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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Why would you leave on wifi on an e-ink kindle, when not actively downloading a book? The battery lasts 3-4x as long with it disabled (on my 3rd gen device at least). I doubt most users need a real-time sync of their book location to the cloud, unless they read on multiple devices. Also, if you use the kindle to get loaned/library books on this particular model, they aren't removed even if the due-date is exceeded un…

Mine does not even have wifi. I prefer it that way.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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This is covered in the terms of service (you read those before using the device, right?):

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=...

That doc also includes instructions for how to opt-out of this collection:

> you may opt out of processing of your personal data relating to the use of your Kindle e-reader collected by the operating system of that device ("device usage data") for marketing and product improvement purposes via All Settings > Device Options > Advanced Options > Privacy. If you turn this setting off, we will stop processing this device usage data for the purposes of serving you customized marketing offers and improving our products and features. Turning this setting off will not affect... your ability to use features of the device, such as data syncing or backup features or Special Offers we display if you purchased a device that includes Special Offers, as we will continue to collect and process your data to deliver those features to you

I'm interested to see whether this sort of biometric/behavioural data will ever be thought of as Personal Data under GDPR (since I bet you can identify someone from their browsing behaviour, just like you can using walking gait and typing cadence). If that was the case you'd need to present an opt-in when you first booted the device, which I think would resolve the complaints from most folks in this thread.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I have quite often seen people here and on other tech forums assume that purchasing a Kindle means being locked into Amazon's ecosystem, giving up personal details, and having the risk that your books might be deleted. But you don't have to use the Kindle's internet connectivity: I have owned three generations of Kindle, and with each one I activated airplane mode the second I unboxed the device and I never turned ai…

I just tend to use non-Kindle applications/devices for this. It's always been extremely easy to get non-DRM ebooks into Apple's book reading app (formerly iBooks, now just Books, in Apple's ongoing quest to make most of their application names as boring as possible). Perhaps ironically this makes Books the "non-walled-garden" app for me.

The pitfall in all this, though, is that there are a lot of commercial books that are only available from publishers that use DRM, and personally I don't consider DRM a sufficient justification for piracy -- so that leaves me stuck with locked books regardless. Lately I've been buying them from Apple rather than Amazon, although if I actually jump through whatever hoops are required to set up DRM stripping with Calibre for Kindle books, assuming that's still possible, I may switch back.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will you also be updating and noting that the requests to Wikipedia and Bing are for explicit customer-benefiting features? Might be worth noting that you can opt out of their data collection (on the e-reader, at a minimum) as well. Settings > Device Options > Advanced Options > Privacy or in the device management console in your account on amazon.com

The text in question: > Highlighting or tapping any word will send the requests with the text to Bing Translate and Wikipedia, as well as back to Amazon. Is there a reason why that text needs to be sent before the user clicks the "translate" button? Is there a reason why it needs to be sent to Amazon?

> Is there a reason why that text needs to be sent before the user clicks the "translate" button?

Yes - UX latency. I would expect this kind of thing to take a few thousand milliseconds, and shaving off a few hundred milliseconds from between when the user highlights text and when they select "translate" is significant. The fact that this data is being sent to Wikipedia of all places further signals that the usage is likely to be innocuous.

Do I think that this is globally a good design decision? No, for both engineering and privacy reasons. There's definitely no good reason why it should be sent to Amazon at all.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I have quite often seen people here and on other tech forums assume that purchasing a Kindle means being locked into Amazon's ecosystem, giving up personal details, and having the risk that your books might be deleted. But you don't have to use the Kindle's internet connectivity: I have owned three generations of Kindle, and with each one I activated airplane mode the second I unboxed the device and I never turned ai…

Not sure about Kindle, but iPhone and Apple watch collect your location history even in airplane mode (by saving the list of wi-fi access points): https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207056 , see "Significant locations"

That document doesn't mention anything about Airplane mode at all. Nor does it describe the Significant Locations feature as "saving the list of wifi access points"; in fact, I'm fairly sure that's not what they're talking about, and instead they're talking about the feature iOS uses to determine that you tend to go to the same place for lunch on Tuesdays or the same friend's house on Saturday afternoons and offer that as a Siri suggestion -- which is almost certainly GPS-based.

Last but not least, Significant Locations data is not just described as "end-to-end encrypted and cannot be read by Apple", it's clearly in the list of items under "By enabling Location Services, location-based system services such as these will also be enabled": e.g., if you're really, really bothered by this, you can turn it off.

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I have quite often seen people here and on other tech forums assume that purchasing a Kindle means being locked into Amazon's ecosystem, giving up personal details, and having the risk that your books might be deleted. But you don't have to use the Kindle's internet connectivity: I have owned three generations of Kindle, and with each one I activated airplane mode the second I unboxed the device and I never turned ai…

Same here (sans the Kindle). All eBook readers I have bought have never been connected to a WiFi network. If I want to change the books, i do it via USB.

That fact that Amazon collects these very detailed metrics has been well known for a long time. You will find old discussions in the MobileRead forum. Here is a thread from 2013 "Block Big Brother":

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205224

Re: Kindle collects a surprisingly large amount of data

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I have quite often seen people here and on other tech forums assume that purchasing a Kindle means being locked into Amazon's ecosystem, giving up personal details, and having the risk that your books might be deleted. But you don't have to use the Kindle's internet connectivity: I have owned three generations of Kindle, and with each one I activated airplane mode the second I unboxed the device and I never turned ai…

Not sure about Kindle, but iPhone and Apple watch collect your location history even in airplane mode (by saving the list of wi-fi access points): https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207056 , see "Significant locations"

I never turn off airplane mode, so my Kindle can collect all the data it likes! :)
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