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Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.

Does Apple still sell phones at a loss? If so they are subsidizing eyeballs for app devs and need to somehow get paid back for this.

No, they never have. iPhone hardware has basically been AAPL’s biggest cash cow with margins around 50%

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.

This is exactly what Microsoft did with the first surface tablet running arm. The original plan was to go all in, but the backlash and support the. Was so bad they dropped the effort going into Windows 10.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I mean, couldn't we just replace Microsoft->Sony and PC->Playstation and the argument falls apart a bit? > Imagine if Sony did this on Playstation. a) prohibiting the installation of non-PlayStation games and b) insisting that all purchases done via their store give them a 30% cut. Many platforms are like this -- and many also have the majority marketshare. Is this a call to redefine what platforms can and cannot con…

Funny you mention Sony -- Linux support on the PS3 turned into a big deal. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS ) Historically, other game consoles could be used a "general purpose computing devices," such as the Sega Dreamcast with Windows CE and the Nintendo Famicom (which is short for Family Computer).

Sony also 'officially' (in the sense that it was targeting hackers/developers) supported Linux on the PS2. IIRC, it was a $200 item which included a hard drive, network adapter and DVD with Linux on it.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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As a consumer, why can't there be an alternative App Store on IoS if I don't like the Apple terms? Apple shouldn't force consumers and developers to provide them with 30%.

There is - buy the more popular, larger market share Android phone and your problem is solved.

And have the same issue with Google Play? They also take a 30% cut.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Who's device is it? Apple's or the customer that paid for it in full?

The device may be yours but the App Store belongs to Apple. Can you walk into a Walmart and start selling your stuff?

The problem is that "my" device is not allowed have non-Apple App Store.

If Apple allowed others to create App Stores, then there would be no problem, but hardware + iOS + App Store are inseparable.

It's like U.S. citizenship forbidding non-Walmart shopping.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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post #6

Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.

Try playing Minecraft between your non-Windows 10 PC and anything mobile, or between anything and a Mac.

Java edition will work on all x86 machines

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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... the developer on Thursday implemented its own in-app payment system that bypassed Apple’s standard 30 percent fee. ...1,000 V-bucks, which is roughly equivalent to $10 in-game Fortnite currency, now costs just $7.99 if you use Epic direct payment instead of the standard Apple payment processing. Normally, that amount of currency costs $9.99. Epic says, in this case, customers keep the extra savings, not the compa…

I mean their in-game currency has essentially no cost for them whatsoever, any revenue they gain from it is pure profit.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.

Apple says they do it because of security reasons. Windows' open and liberal way of doing things made it a fertile ground for millions of viruses. But I still think every OS should be open for developing and distribution of software no matter how serious malware threat is.

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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I hope it does. Monopolies lead to stagnation, rising prices, and inferior product quality. Even though Apple is not a monopoly in the strict sense, I think we consumers will benefit from alternative app store - or Apple opening up the platform. I believe one can still have (moderately) secure ecosystem without it being a walled garden.

If you have an iPhone the Appstore is unquestionably a monopoly. At least Google can make the case you can install other app stores so the monopoly claim is weaker.

The mere mention of Google, a perfectly suitable competitor, leads me to believe you don’t understand what a monopoly is...

Re: Apple just kicked Fortnite off the App Store

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Imagine if Microsoft did this on PCs. a) prohibiting the installation of non-windows store software (sideloading) and b) insisting that all purchases done via apps give them a 30% cut. I think this is a ridiculous practice on the behalf of Apple.

Does Apple still sell phones at a loss? If so they are subsidizing eyeballs for app devs and need to somehow get paid back for this.

iPhone is one of the highest margin products in apples ecosystem
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