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"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by foobiekr »

Ygg2 wrote: post #142
dx87 wrote: post #101

> The internet is the platform now with ubiquitous web technologies built into it, but vast new areas are developing (like Wasmtime and the Bytecode Alliance vision of nanoprocesses). Our vision and abilities should play in those areas too. Two days ago, the CEO said that focusing on technologies like Wasmtime was one of their plans for the future[1]. Now we find out that they're actually getting rid of the team. The…

Why call it corporate speak, when it's plain old lying?

The weasel nature of corporate speak is beyond a simple lie. People out a lot of work and, perversely, take pride in their ability to say one thing while sounding like saying another, at best, or outright convincingly bullshit.

It deserves to be labeled as the worse of the two options because it is.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by kbrosnan »

gruez wrote: post #199
blub wrote: post #61

Mozilla's decision makes a lot of economic sense. They got rid of projects requiring lots of engineering effort with negligible benefits for the company or for the internet or for our privacy. I'm not sure at this point if it makes sense for them to keep the Firefox code base or give up, switch to Chromium and focus on what they do best - spy less on us than Google. When Microsoft gave up anyone paying attention knew…

>They got rid of projects requiring lots of engineering effort with negligible benefits for [...] the internet or for our privacy. what? https://twitter.com/MichalPurzynski/status/12932205708850626...

https://twitter.com/gcpascutto/status/1293519587967983616

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by nitrogen »

esperent wrote: post #200
liujy wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bundle their browser in a leading operating system. What’s the alternative here? I can’t imagine opening up a new computer and not having some kind of web browser pre-installed.

It takes about 2 minutes to download and install a browser. Most operating systems already expect an internet connection when you're installing them, it would be easy to add a screen saying "select which browser you want" as part of the process.

For slow connections, some of that space currently allocated to bloatware should be reassigned to browser choice.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by capableweb »

mcqueenjordan wrote: post #196
steveklabnik wrote: post #111

Hi everyone, the Rust core team has been talking about making a statement on this, but I left this comment in a personal capacity yesterday: ------------------------ Mozilla employs a small number of people to work on Rust fulltime, and many of the Servo people contributed to Rust too, even if it wasn't their job. They also pay for the hosting bill for crates.io. They also own a trademark on Rust, Cargo, and the logo…

Totally agree, Rust will survive. AWS is investing heavily in Rust. If anyone who is reading this was affected by these layoffs and you want to continue to work in Rust, get in touch with me. We have many Rust opportunities open across the company on a variety of different teams.

Any Rustaceans who have been working at Mozilla, have probably done so for the mission that Mozilla work on (publicly), not too earn a ton of money. Amazon/AWS, who's main goal is closed down infrastructure, is the opposite of that mission. Worth keeping in mind when trying to recruit people from the opposite spectrum of yourself.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by perryizgr8 »

mola wrote: post #208

Mozilla tech brought value right? MDN bright value right? Wasm, rust etc, brought value. But no profit. Could it be that profit isn't synonymous with value? Just a thought.

Of course it isn't. Think about the value Linus Torvalds created with his contributions to Linux and git. He's wealthy, sure, but not even a fraction of that value generated profit for him.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by nitrogen »

regularfry wrote: post #153
rumanator wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At a Microsoft sized company I'd get it because they can basically blow billions on that sort of thing It also helps that Microsoft is in the business of selling IDEs.

Interesting question: why isn't Mozilla in this business too? They've got a cross-platform desktop app toolkit sat right there , and big enough developer mindshare to be interesting. There's room for a Firefox-flavour web dev IDE in the market, surely? Firefox dev tools, only with edit-in-place and live debugging for server-side assets. Seems odd to me that they've never gone that way, given everything else they've t…

A web editor was actually an integral part of the original suite from which Firefox was derived.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by perryizgr8 »

outsomnia wrote: post #85
StevePerkins wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried them for a little while. Unfortunately, Brave's sync service just flat-out doesn't work. To the point where they have it disabled by default, and you have to crack open advanced settings to see if it will actually work reliably for you (SPOILER ALERT: It won't). I think they were too focused on making it "blockchain-based" and "crypto-trendy", and just can't build something sensible that works. THIS is the va…

> and it's dying because the Internet is simply moving on away from it. > love to go back to Firefox if they would get real with the times Ffox is super up to date with latest and next-gen web technologies... what do you even mean by "get with the times"?

When will I be able to zoom and flick back and forward with the TouchPad? Firefox is desperately behind, at least in usability.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by perryizgr8 »

blub wrote: post #90
StevePerkins wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried them for a little while. Unfortunately, Brave's sync service just flat-out doesn't work. To the point where they have it disabled by default, and you have to crack open advanced settings to see if it will actually work reliably for you (SPOILER ALERT: It won't). I think they were too focused on making it "blockchain-based" and "crypto-trendy", and just can't build something sensible that works. THIS is the va…

Safari doesn't spy on you and is a pretty good browser. There's no way that a closed source browser owned by a Chinese company is least bad. That's easily the least trustworthy option.

Safari is restricted to a range of hardware I'll never buy, so it might as well not exist for me.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Post by pkilgore »

cordite wrote: post #191
blub wrote: post #61

Mozilla's decision makes a lot of economic sense. They got rid of projects requiring lots of engineering effort with negligible benefits for the company or for the internet or for our privacy. I'm not sure at this point if it makes sense for them to keep the Firefox code base or give up, switch to Chromium and focus on what they do best - spy less on us than Google. When Microsoft gave up anyone paying attention knew…

It’s still WebKit under the hood isn’t it? The JS engines are different though

HTML engine was forked from Webkit. It's called blink now, and from what I've read the fork was long enough ago to consider them separate pieces of software.
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