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App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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post #103

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I mean what would they do?

Heavy restrictions on how apps use third party SDKs for signing in, forcing FB to change its policy of requiring the SDK for native apps which use FB to sign in. And then reject new app updates which don’t follow the new rules. Or just outright ban this spyware.

Yes because government officials know enough about technology to pass those types of laws.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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post #64

Waze, a google owned app for the past 4 years, crashes because of the FB app. WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app, will not give you read access to your own chat database - it’s encrypted. But they have an arrangement with Google where it’s will back up unencrypted to your Google account (though, Google won’t let you retrieve it ... only the WhatsApp app can) Everything about this duopoly, their cooperation and lack of co…

Yes, it's definitely time for some slightly enhanced armchair activism! Convert all active whatsapp contacts to signal? 80%? 50%? Same for Facebook messenger! It needs to be uncomfortable enough - if they want to communicate with us and are minimally tech savvy ("click link to install app") they have to switch to signal . That's it. I'm starting to send out messages over my morning coffee. Let's do this together: htt…

I switched to my own xmpp server instead. Never going back.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

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I've been converting people to signal for years, I've got everyone in my life to switch except for my parents and 2 coworkers.

I gave up after realizing that Signal will not deliver message for a couple of days and that message notification doesn't work. Why wasting personal credit on something that is clearly inferior from the usability point of view. And after it started insisting on creating a PIN each time I start Signal, I finally deleted it from my phone. You can forget about security if you can't get a seamless user experience.

> I gave up after realizing that Signal will not deliver message for a couple of days and that message notification doesn't work.

That has never happened to me.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

#234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's definitely time for some slightly enhanced armchair activism! Convert all active whatsapp contacts to signal? 80%? 50%? Same for Facebook messenger! It needs to be uncomfortable enough - if they want to communicate with us and are minimally tech savvy ("click link to install app") they have to switch to signal . That's it. I'm starting to send out messages over my morning coffee. Let's do this together: htt…

I haven't had an account on Facebook or the like for years, and I started using Signal when it came out. I've been evangelizing it, and I never used Messenger or Whatsapp or any of those services. The uptake? Like ~30% of the people I'd like to contact bother with it. The rest, it's even worse - we get stuck with SMS. And a lot of conversations I just miss, period, because they're groups of people in one of those oth…

We need to turn to propaganda. If you support tracking and insecure communication, think of your children who will get burnt by insurance companies having access to their data. Thousands of [company] employees will look at your nudes if you share it on there. They might look at your kid's photos that you don't want them to. The republicans and democrats (depending who they support, switch) will look at your kid's pictures. The FBI will look at it. The cops will have access to it and then will target your kids in future. Why are you ruining yours and my kids future?

are you OK with THAT? You support children harassment by cops?

Throw some biased media page calling big companies bad. Not a hard thing to do today or write an opinion piece on popular news journal site and reference it. Medium works too.

We also need to cancel people for supporting these platforms.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

#235
post #64

Waze, a google owned app for the past 4 years, crashes because of the FB app. WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app, will not give you read access to your own chat database - it’s encrypted. But they have an arrangement with Google where it’s will back up unencrypted to your Google account (though, Google won’t let you retrieve it ... only the WhatsApp app can) Everything about this duopoly, their cooperation and lack of co…

Also, you can't migrate WhatsApp between iPhone and Android. There's a utility called BackupTrans, which follows an extremely convoluted process including a step where they install an old version of WhatsApp. It seemed to work but it trips some wire and WhatsApp put me in an hour-long timeout state, twice. Since I very much depend on WhatsApp, I dare not use it anymore.

BackupTrans also caused my iPhone to bootloop, requiring a factory reset.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

#236

The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

Years ago, I had one of the employee builds on my company phone, and it picked up an update and would "instacrash" - tap the icon, and it'd die immediately. Crash. Crash. Crash.

A couple of days later I caught up with the people allegedly responsible for this stuff in the bigger review meeting. "Shouldn't you open a SEV because you are shipping stuff that can't possibly work and aren't catching it pre-release?" The response was a lot of hand-waving and stupid manager-speak that boiled down to "no, go away".

I basically wrote them off at that point. If they could act that way and get away with it by way of implicit acceptance from upper management, that's just the way it was going to be.

I see the quality is as high as always.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

#237

The most popular apps on one of the most popular operating systems just plainly don't even open. What has this industry become? How are we so goddamn inept at writing software? This is an industry where we can automate testing - not many other industries have this capability - and we still don't have a simple test regime of "check if the app opens" for any of those apps. Somehow, at the most valuable software compani…

The apps are broken serverside by Facebook. No amount of testing (automated or not) on the side of the app developers would have prevented this.

Facebook's own apps did not break since they are on the latest version of FBSDK.

What Facebook needs to do is to test whether their changes don't break other people's apps.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

#239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gave up after realizing that Signal will not deliver message for a couple of days and that message notification doesn't work. Why wasting personal credit on something that is clearly inferior from the usability point of view. And after it started insisting on creating a PIN each time I start Signal, I finally deleted it from my phone. You can forget about security if you can't get a seamless user experience.

Oh God, the PIN creation is so annoying. Whatever possessed them that that was a good idea? Note that even after creating the PIN the app doesn't quit nagging you, it 'helpfully' continues to remind you to re-type it so you don't forget. Plus, it's just a terrible UX for a SMS client. I really wanted to like it, but it's just too obnoxious to use. I've certainly not recommended it, I've had better luck switching rela…

Since it's open-source and on GitHub, you can go there and raise an issue with this feedback. You can't do that with WhatsApp or other closed-source alternatives.

Personally, I don't feel the UX is "terrible", I can use it to do most of the things that I could do in WhatsApp. My friends and I also tested out the video call feature and found the quality to be the same, if not better.

Re: App suddenly crashing on startup due to FBSDKRestrictiveDataFilterManager.m

#240
post #64

Waze, a google owned app for the past 4 years, crashes because of the FB app. WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app, will not give you read access to your own chat database - it’s encrypted. But they have an arrangement with Google where it’s will back up unencrypted to your Google account (though, Google won’t let you retrieve it ... only the WhatsApp app can) Everything about this duopoly, their cooperation and lack of co…

Yes, it's definitely time for some slightly enhanced armchair activism! Convert all active whatsapp contacts to signal? 80%? 50%? Same for Facebook messenger! It needs to be uncomfortable enough - if they want to communicate with us and are minimally tech savvy ("click link to install app") they have to switch to signal . That's it. I'm starting to send out messages over my morning coffee. Let's do this together: htt…

If I'm gonna make it difficult to get in contact with me, I think I'd rather make them use a federated system rather than one platform.
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