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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by abstractbarista »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

As another observation, I've been to the protests in Raleigh, and at least 75% of the initial violent actions have been from individuals in the protest.

(I say 'individuals', not 'protestors', because the latter are peaceful people. The instigators are rioters and looters, a small minority of the people hiding within the former group.)

The other 25% has been initial violent action from the police. Things like shooting gas and charging forward when protestors were simply standing still.

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Post by ccvannorman »

Jtsummers wrote: post #54
lostmsu wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just ... not caring. Bash their face, mace them, just follow orders. That's how law generally works. It does not matter who violates it. If you see a problem with the law - change the law. Do not bash police officers for enforcing it.

But they aren't enforcing the law with many of these actions. See the first major publicized incident with the CNN crew. No laws were broken, the crew was compliant, they asked if they should move, explained they were in that spot because other police had told them to be there. The police have gone beyond the law in these cases, and their handling of protesters (not to mention the cases which precipitated this presen…

You are incorrect. The law does need to be changed. There is a specific law called Qualified Immunity which prevents officers from being brought to trial for these acts.

Change or remove that law, and things will absolutely change as you see families taking officers to court for felony murder, assault and battery, and other felony charges.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by AlexandrB »

colllectorof wrote: post #197
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

>the police is desperately trying to set a narrative to justify a history of violence by escalating more violence, but please, someone, restore my faith Seems fairly accurate. I'm just annoyed that many people can't grasp that awful police behavior and awful behavior from other actors are not mutually exclusive. There is lots of unjustified police violence and provocations against perfectly peaceful protestors. There…

One of the sides mentioned has a monopoly on the lawful use of force. Shouldn't we expect better from them in return?

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Post by chooseaname »

zouhair wrote: post #163
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

It's actually worse than that. Even in the killing of Floyd the Police claimed he resisted arrest, which was a lie[0], the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]. They did all this amidst a huge public outcry, what do you think happens to some poor schmuck when no camera is around. Like this[2] and this[3]......... EDIT: Here is one wher…

FFWD a couple months and Trump will be praising the police while fixating on the original coroner report.

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Post by xedeon »

klyrs wrote: post #217
lostmsu wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first one is concerning, but the incident appears to be resolved now (?). The second one does not seem like a major problem to me, as the police might not know a random filming guy showing some piece of paper to be an actual reporter, rather than just a friend of the rioters filming their action for YouTube. It seems it also was resolved. Unless there's an easy way for police to make a credible determination if t…

That's two examples, literally the first two hits of an obvious search. Officials are acknowledging that these are wrongful arrests, why can't you? There's 110 cases mentioned in this article. Instead of demanding that we spoon-feed you evidence, please continue looking into the evidence. Because there's tons of it and you know how to find it. > The first one is concerning, but the incident appears to be resolved now…

It's also still trending up. It was 192 a few hours ago, now it's up to 204.

Source:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zk9oFDJ3Ocbz80Z1ISSW...

https://twitter.com/uspresstracker

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by easytiger »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

You think there is a clandestine 400 IQ policy such as this?

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by koheripbal »

brenden2 wrote: post #99

For anyone who wants to keep an eye on what's going on, the subreddit /r/PublicFreakout is full of videos of police (and rioters) engaging in violence. I haven't found a better source yet. There's sometimes misattributed content, so be sure to wade carefully. Many of these cases have multiple videos from different people from different angles as well. The evidence is quite damning.

That sub is great because you really get a good sampling of what's going on.

There are peaceful/permitted protests that the police leave alone and occasionally support/join.

There are peaceful/not-permitted protests that the police disperse with various uses of non-lethal force.

There are Rioters that vandalize and try to blend with protesters but seldom directly confront the police - occasionally confronted by protesters.

...and then there's just tons of rampant looting with little police intervention.

Anyone blending these four distinct phenomenon is just doing truth and justice a disservice.

Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by koheripbal »

dashundchen wrote: post #137
brenden2 wrote: post #99

For anyone who wants to keep an eye on what's going on, the subreddit /r/PublicFreakout is full of videos of police (and rioters) engaging in violence. I haven't found a better source yet. There's sometimes misattributed content, so be sure to wade carefully. Many of these cases have multiple videos from different people from different angles as well. The evidence is quite damning.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/ for another source of documented police violence.

Unfortunately, that sub only documents one side of the story.

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Post by heavyset_go »

ravenstine wrote: post #168
pwinnski wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently read that if you tend to think, "it's a shame that black people are being killed by cops like this, but the rioting and looting MUST stop," perhaps you should consider thinking more like, "it's a shame that there is rioting and looting, but black people being killed by cops like this MUST stop."

All ideas should be considered, but yours is not one I subscribe to. More people have been killed and had their lives destroyed as the result of non-protestors taking advantage of the protests to destroy communities. This is before the actual protests themselves have even been given a chance to succeed without violence. To subscribe to your perspective, I would have to believe that rioting and looting is the way to a…

How many people have these non-protestors killed? Are you talking about police or what you'd describe as rioters?

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Post by lostmsu »

pwinnski wrote: post #179
lostmsu wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet the reason for these journalists ending up in the line of attack is not violation of curfew, but a violation of a lawful order to disperse. I am impressed so many people on HN do not seem to understand the concept and reasoning behind it.

The first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America supersedes local ordnances, and journalists absolutely do no have to disperse when police issues such an order to the general public.

> journalists absolutely do no have to disperse when police issues such an order to the general public

The first amendment speaks nothing about who can be where. It just denies government the right to prosecute people for making statements.

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