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Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

newacct583 wrote: post #217
101404 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, were did he say "to shoot looters"? That's just one possible interpretation, if you really want to understand him that way.

It's true that the president's writing here is characteristically vague. But right here in this one tweet he: 1. Introduces the military 2. Says he will assume control 3. Introduces the idea of shooting looters Given that context, it's extremely difficult to concoct an interpretation where he's not saying he'll direct the military to shoot looters. I mean, be serious here. Is your defense really that "The president's…

In the interests of precision, Trump didn't suggest that people try injecting bleach, he suggested that researchers look into injecting disinfectant as a means of treating those with the virus.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177

I see I'm being downvoted. Is my account of things incorrect, or is it because I didn't explicitly spell out that it's silly for a president to give brain-dead research advice to experts?

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by tinyhouse »

acobster wrote: post #171
tinyhouse wrote: post #120

What happened to Floyd is horrible and police abuse is a real thing. I never understood why police officers in the US have no common sense. I recall many incidents where they shoot and kill people trying to escape (so no threat to them). I'm happy the public is doing something about it. However, I'm also annoyed by the stupidity of many people who blindly yell racism. Not so long ago there was a naked black male (Har…

How does nakedness justify escalating the situation to voilence? "The law is the law" is just an excuse. When people talk about systemic racism they're talking about how the system operates as a whole. As I've commented elsewhere, people need to educate themselves about systemic racism in this country. "So You Want to Talk about Race" by Ijeoma Oluo or "Me and White Supremacy" by Layla Saad are good places to start.

Thanks for the book recommendation.

> How does nakedness justify escalating the situation to voilence? "The law is the law" is just an excuse.

Are you suggesting every person to decide what's allowed and what's not to the best of their judgment? I agree not all illegal activities are equal. If you use common sense then indeed you should try your best to avoid violence in illegal activities that don't put anyone in danger. But at the end of the day, when all fail and the person in front of you is not cooperating and refusing to put cloths on, then the police has no choice and arrest the person against their will. (If you disagree that nakedness should be illegal that's a different story and has nothing to do with the police)

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by UncleMeat »

banads wrote: post #199
Miner49er wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police don't defend normal people or communities, that's not their job. Their job is to enforce the law, no matter how unjust the law is. > We should support good police officers and not assume all are bad and racist. There is no such thing as a non-racist or good police officer. The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist.

>The police system as a whole is racist. Anybody who chooses to participate in and support that system everyday of their lives is racist. What about all the Democrats and Republicans who are ultimately responsible for the laws governing the police system and who have for years tacitly or explicitly supported the war on drugs?

Of course. Anti-racist activists have long been extremely critical of the lawmakers. The dems tend to be better than the republicans, but both participate in and contribute to a system that ultimately is racist at its very core.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by lurquer »

monocasa wrote: post #229
lurquer wrote: post #226

So, state police -- on a loudspeaker -- are "ordering" people to "leave the street immediately." The reporter admits he was told "to clear the area." The loudspeaker -- again -- explicitly states to "go back in the direction you came from." The reporter admits on air that they were "requested to move back." The cameraman also admits on air that "We were just out here reporting the CLOSURE OF THE STREETS." The dumbass…

He was released 30 minutes later with the governor admitting it was a bad arrest.

Whether they are charged with a crime is up to the governor, ultimately.

But, the state police -- if they order a street closed -- are well within their rights to CLEAR the street. If the person won't budge, they can forcibly remove them. Which they did. That is being 'arrested.' There are no exceptions for reporters.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by corrupt_measure »

JSavageOne wrote: post #98

How is it legal for a police offer to arrest someone without any warning, without even telling them why they're being arrested, and without probable cause? What are the repercussions for these officers for falsely arresting people? Do they suffer any consequences, or do they suffer no punishment for this injustice? This is extremely disturbing, and further evidence that the U.S. is a police state. I've never felt mor…

What is far more disturbing than a reporter ignoring police orders and facing the repercussions is that a city is burning from mindless violence, this violence encouraged by a media and other prominent figures that relish in stoking racial tensions by selective reporting and misrepresentation of facts.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kaitai »

_bxg1 wrote: post #133
throwaway894345 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's become clear time and again that they never open themselves up to actual liability. I understand that the criminal justice system is very often lenient on police officers, and I'm strongly in favor of increased police accountability; however, there are still many cases of police officers going to prison and departments/municipalities being sued for police misconduct, so to say that there is no actual liability…

We've seen multiple murders by police happen on camera in the past couple years, with little to no action taken. The present one is the first case I know of where anyone from inside the government actually called for an investigation, and it was probably because they were afraid of the very riot situation we now find ourselves in. When they can kill someone who isn't a threat, on camera, and face no consequences, why…

People inside the gov't here are calling for an investigation because we actually think, in Minnesota, that we're "better than this". White people in Minnesota (and I am one) truly do think that we have less racism & we're better than folks in Ohio, California, Tennessee, Florida, NY. That's why if you look at videos of the protests here, so many white Minnesotans have showed up.

Now, if we'd looked at the statistics (homeownership gap, achievement gap in education) or listened to black Minnesotans, we'd know that we're not better than anyone else in the US. But there is at least a desire. We really do have folks in leadership who want to be/do better, even if we're failing at it.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by ilikehurdles »

monocasa wrote: post #229
lurquer wrote: post #226

So, state police -- on a loudspeaker -- are "ordering" people to "leave the street immediately." The reporter admits he was told "to clear the area." The loudspeaker -- again -- explicitly states to "go back in the direction you came from." The reporter admits on air that they were "requested to move back." The cameraman also admits on air that "We were just out here reporting the CLOSURE OF THE STREETS." The dumbass…

He was released 30 minutes later with the governor admitting it was a bad arrest.

Additionally, there was another CNN crew within sight of this one that was approached, handled the situation in the same way with the same answers, and was told that they're good to stay where they are. That one was led by a white reporter.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by yborg »

acobster wrote: post #96
snazz wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm a resident of the Minneapolis suburbs) At this point, from some of my friends in the city, it sounds like there just isn't much oversight at all---they've now been caught on video taking guns from people with valid licenses and now arresting the press. I don't think that we can effectively apply logic when the police system seems so disorganized.

They're highly organized. I think perhaps a better word for their actions is "unjustified," or if you're feeling less charitable, "unjustifiable."

There are police departments that are an organizational mess and there are departments that are even corrupt. There was a case here in Illinois in Cicero 20 years ago where the State Police were brought in to take over the force until the leadership could be replaced because of corruption.

I can't say anything about the situation with the Minneapolis PD, but it seems like it has a major training problem, there was also the case a couple of years ago of the cop that shot and killed a (white) woman in her PJs who was reporting a possible crime out of the window of their patrol vehicle.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by kaitai »

Infinitesimus wrote: post #125
dmix wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole CNN team of four was arrested including the white producer and a latino cameraman.

How it played out was interesting though. Arrested reporter first and only after some time came back and arrested the others. If the intent was to arrest them all, they would have said "you're all under arrest". This smells like they arrested the guy, went "oh shit lets arrest the others too so people don't say we're racist"

Yep.

Re: CNN reporter arrested live on air while covering Minneapolis protests [video]

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Post by monocasa »

lurquer wrote: post #234
monocasa wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was released 30 minutes later with the governor admitting it was a bad arrest.

Whether they are charged with a crime is up to the governor, ultimately. But, the state police -- if they order a street closed -- are well within their rights to CLEAR the street. If the person won't budge, they can forcibly remove them. Which they did. That is being 'arrested.' There are no exceptions for reporters.

The reporter was complying; he was asking which direction they should go when he was arrested.
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