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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by Covzire » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

mdszy wrote: post #211

Covzire wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand what part of Trump's tweet is "glorifying" violence, can anyone help me out on the rationale?

"when the looting starts, the shooting starts." Just read that a few times until you get it through your head.

Nope, not working for me, not from a politician tasked with the security of the nation.

Just recently a famous comedian suggested injecting him with an air filled syringe, what did Twitter do there?

Twitter has gone and lost their minds. Bring on the down votes I guess.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by jpambrun » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #132

Side topic: Should government control looting when it comes to violent protests?

The cost-benefit is not that clear-cut. Attempting to protect material at the cost of civil unrest, likely wounded protesters and police officers, possibly even more death. Sounds like taking a step back might have been the best of all the bad options.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by happytoexplain » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:23 PM UTC

mantas wrote: post #224

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So people not liking the head of the country talking about having people shot by the military is "taking themselves way too seriously"? Only one side is bringing death and lethal action into the discussion, not sure why you mentioned "both sides".

What should police do to stop looting? Loot looters' homes to stay at equal level of violence?

The police should not, if possible, kill people to stop them from looting, even if they are destroying property. This is fundamental to civilization.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by ikeyany » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

illuminated wrote: post #229

ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

I believe the person in question has crossed the line long time ago. And Twitter should improve their fact-checking and restricting algorithms and apply it all the time.

I am in agreement that waiting to do something is foolish, but I can see why they did not wait any longer.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by nojito » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #140

slg wrote: post #52

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This is using past violence as a threat of imminent violence while the other accounts you mentioned will generally reference violence indirectly or in the past tense. That is an important distinction.

He is the commander in chief. He has the capability to threaten violence. This tweet, while in bad taste IMO, was a threat to those who are planning to continue looting and burning buildings in Minneapolis. I’m not sure if you’ve seen the videos, but there are full scale riots. Rioters completely looted a Target and burned it nearly to the ground. Is “shooting” the answer to that? Probably not. And hopefully the Nati…

No..he actually can't

The US is a federated country. The governors of the states have the ability to call in the National Guard to protect their state if they can not use Local/State law enforcement.

If and ONLY if that doesn't work can the State Legislature/Gov formally ask the President for help by calling on the Insurrection Act.

It's actually one of the core tenets of federalism.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by mc32 » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:24 PM UTC

ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

Well, so do you censor things like Dr Dre’s 187 because it might be interpreted as inciting violence against (corrupt) police? A public figure of renown among fans.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by bbatha » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #140

slg wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is using past violence as a threat of imminent violence while the other accounts you mentioned will generally reference violence indirectly or in the past tense. That is an important distinction.

He is the commander in chief. He has the capability to threaten violence. This tweet, while in bad taste IMO, was a threat to those who are planning to continue looting and burning buildings in Minneapolis. I’m not sure if you’ve seen the videos, but there are full scale riots. Rioters completely looted a Target and burned it nearly to the ground. Is “shooting” the answer to that? Probably not. And hopefully the Nati…

> He is the commander in chief. He has the capability to threaten violence.

Not to Americans nor on American soil he doesn't. Because of the 4th amendment and the Posse Commitus act.

> the National Guard is not going to do that.

Who is controlled by the Minnesota governor. Trump has no legal authority to threaten protestors with the Minnesota national guard.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by chlodwig » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

illuminated wrote: post #183

I know it is "never too late" for things like this to happen, but it's definitely late. One of the main reasons for bad things to happen is the lack of education (which, in turn, leads to resist to change) and, therefore makes people prone to believe to unbelievable things. Social platforms like Twitter should have long had things like "fact checking" ANY statements and should have restricting not only violence glori…

and should have restricting not only violence glorifying posts, but also the ones with racial or sexual discrimination and all the others.

Do you think tweets that make derogatory references to Karen's or "tech-bros" should be deleted?

Should a Tweet that says, "There will be no peace as long as there is no justice for the centuries of white supremacy and centuries white people oppressing all other peoples." be banned? What about a Tweet saying, "There will be no peace as long as their is no justice of centuries of Jewish puppet-mastery and Jews oppressing all other peoples"?

I'm OK with restricting racist and sexist posts in the public square -- as long as the censorship is applied equally to all ethnicities and sexes. And if the censorship was applied equally, a lot of Tweets from "anti-racist" activists would need to be censored.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #213

ikeyany wrote: post #192

People are wondering "How far does this go? How can Twitter say this is not cool, but allow something like violent movies or games? Where's the line?" The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting, that's the line.

> The leader of the United States encouraging law enforcement and the military to shoot American citizens for looting That's an extremely literal interpretation of his words. Most people would interpret that phrase to mean "you better think twice before looting because I'm not going to sit idly by and let you do it" but in the form of a vaguely threatening, yet catchy rhyme.

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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by nojito » Fri, May 29, 2020, 1:25 PM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #132

Side topic: Should government control looting when it comes to violent protests?

They can.

The process is Local Police, State Police, Gov calls in National Guard, Gov goes to State legislature, State then asks President for help.