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Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by orbital223 »

victorhooi wrote: post #226
_bxg1 wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand we've seen this kind of behavior from Google time and again, even on its flagship platforms like Android and YouTube. The Chrome Extensions store is likely the bottom of the barrel when it comes to priorities, so I have no trouble believing things would be even worse there.

If you're referring to the recent controversy around Pushbullet - I thought that was revealed to be them asking for all access to any HTTP/HTTPS websites you viewed...which is a major security breach. They removed that permission to limit it to only Pushbullet, and then were able to get back on. I'm not saying there couldn't have been more hand-holding - but it wasn't exactly like it wasn't for a fairly egregious sec…

They removed that permission and were denied again. Only after the story got a lot of publicity did Google decide to accept it.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by victorhooi »

Drdrdrq wrote: post #180
renewiltord wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GCP does have support engineers who work with you on things.

It does? Haven't used it yet and have no near future plans to change that. As long as there's a single account, the support of each part of Google matters, because it could cause your account to be closed.

GCP most certainly does have support engineers available!

https://cloud.google.com/support

There's a variety of different tiers to suit your required level of support, and some products (e.g. G Suite) come with free in-built support.

(I work as part of Google Cloud support organisation).

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by fxtentacle »

bartread wrote: post #209

Maybe they're still angry with him about leftpad. Yes, it really is the same guy: https://kodfabrik.com/journal/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules . And, joking aside it would be wise to bear in mind that we're reading only one side of the story here. As with leftpad, there's another side to this. With leftpad he told Kik, "fuck you" ( https://medium.com/@mproberts/a-discussion-about-the-breakin... ), and then wrought gl…

I believe that in the left-pad case, NPM severely violated the overall trust put in their management by handing over a package name (that other people might depend on) without a legal process. Now that NPM has faltered like that once, you basically need to verify yourself that every package that you use is still the same one by the same author, i.e. that NPM hasn't silently transferred the name to someone else.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by wolfgke »

Guzba wrote: post #69
wolfgke wrote: post #51

Next time on HN: Postmortem and lesson learned: Don't make yourself dependent on BIG_COMPANY when building a product

This comment is trite. No Android app, no iPhone app, no Google search listing, no Amazon product page, no Stream/Epic store listing, no browser extensions, no cloud servers. Can you rely on an internet provider or should you lay your own fiber? What technology product are you going to make that relies on nothing? HN deserves better comments imo.

Every stock market investor knows that you should always diversify your risk. So never make yourself deoendent on the whims of some single or few BIG_COMPANIES.

Specifically:

> no Stream/Epic store listing

There exist lots of stores: Epic, Steam, GOG, Humble Store, itch, ... So diversify the risks of being dependent on the whims of one or few of them.

> no cloud servers

Write your server-side applications in a way that does not depend too much on the specific details of the cloud implementation of a specific cloud provider so that you can rather easily switch to another cloud provider if necessary.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by brankoB »

paulcole wrote: post #230
brankoB wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people aren't aware of the data collection. In those cases I think calling it stealing is fair.

Why exactly? You’re not getting a better deal on milk if you understand the economics and logistics of the dairy industry.

Sure but people understand the basic transaction (give money -> get milk). If on the other hand they gave you free milk but tracked your milk usage without telling you, I'd argue that's a non-consensual transaction and falls under stealing (roughly).

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

bartread wrote: post #209

Maybe they're still angry with him about leftpad. Yes, it really is the same guy: https://kodfabrik.com/journal/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules . And, joking aside it would be wise to bear in mind that we're reading only one side of the story here. As with leftpad, there's another side to this. With leftpad he told Kik, "fuck you" ( https://medium.com/@mproberts/a-discussion-about-the-breakin... ), and then wrought gl…

What was the "other side" of leftpad? As far as I remember, the broken system wrought havoc, not the developer who chose to withdraw his modules. I don't think the developer's reasons are much relevant when discussing how reliable their word is.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by jv22222 »

neya wrote: post #225
bartread wrote: post #209

Maybe they're still angry with him about leftpad. Yes, it really is the same guy: https://kodfabrik.com/journal/i-ve-just-liberated-my-modules . And, joking aside it would be wise to bear in mind that we're reading only one side of the story here. As with leftpad, there's another side to this. With leftpad he told Kik, "fuck you" ( https://medium.com/@mproberts/a-discussion-about-the-breakin... ), and then wrought gl…

In the links you've shared, I thought the author (Azer) was on the right to behave the way he did. I don't see it as a reason to discount his current experience because of that either.

Just came here to say the same thing. He didn't need to swear and be so bratty about it, but yeah it seems to me he was not wrong.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by tzs »

gonehome wrote: post #78
aboringusername wrote: post #60

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Thing is, the value proposition proposed by "the cloud", whomever that may be (MS/Google/Apple et al), is quite the temptation. Seriously, I am slowly and surely de-googling, such as storing all data locally (if I need offsite, I use encrypted backups). My calendar now uses caldav on a raspberry pi, my home network uses ethernet for fast data flow to a portable drive and I am using a web browser for many applications…

The only main Google service I still used was Gmail (and occasionally search when DDG doesn't return something immediately useful). I'd seen comments about Fastmail over the years, but moving seemed like it would be a hassle. With more at home pandemic time I decided to just do it and have been super impressed. The Fastmail docs are really good, setting up DNS to use my custom domain had explicit steps and pictures f…

There's a fairly general way to do mail import that works fine with Fastmail, and might be more flexible if you would like to combine the import with reorganization your mail folders. This assumes both providers support IMAP.

1. Set up both providers on an IMAP client that supports multiple simultaneous accounts.

2. Copy messages from the old provider to the new by simply selecting them in the old provider's folders in your IMAP client and dragging them to wherever you want them in the new provider's folders.

As long as you pick an IMAP client that supports copying between IMAP servers, this should do it. I used either Apple Mail or Outlook for this. I don't remember which.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by lonelappde »

geza wrote: post #213
lonelappde wrote: post #201

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Is there a workaround for users? Old builds of Chromium?

It works fine with the current versions of Chrome (and Chromium-based browsers like Edge), you'll just need to sideload it once it gets removed from the Chrome store. Alternatively, if/when I manage to get it accepted into the Edge store, you could switch to Edge.

I thought Google banned sideloading unapproved extensions on Windows and Mac.

https://developer.chrome.com/apps/external_extensions

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by TheKarateKid »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #222

I have to wonder how PayPal are feeling about their $4 billion acquisition of Honey now, which requests permission to read/write on all websites and exists solely as a browser extension. They're on multiple browsers, but I doubt either Mozilla or Apple will be particularly interested to protect what's presumably now a massive PayPal data mining operation.

PayPal is part of the Silicon Valley circle-jerk, so they will get a warning or a pass from Google and Apple just like Facebook did with Onavo.
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