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Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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I can relate to some of the grief that people have with mothers that didn't fit the stereotype. I'm one of them: I know mom loves me (or at least I'd like to tell myself that) but she's been abusive to me and my siblings in ways that few can imagine. We've tried our best with interventions, but nothing really helps. Here's how it's different for me: I'm a practising Muslim and there's strong exhortation in the religi…

I find most mothers(yes, I am generalizing) manipulative and toxic. I think going through the traumatic process of biological procreation does something to their psyche and damages them forever. Like PTSD. And they don’t get help. They get Mothers Day cards and flowers instead. Different women deal with it differently. The glorification of motherhood and the enormous pressure on ‘being a good mom’ and creating gods f…

A true feminist would genetically engineer the human species? Why not erase sexes while we're at it?

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My mum passed a few years ago. I miss her deeply, she was just 59 and she missed the chance to meet her first grandchild. I live in London and she lived in California, we’d speak to each other a few times a week. Since she left earth and moved to the universe, she’s become a super awesome space mum! I speak to her everyday. I do miss the hugs, the laughs and life lessons mind you. Her greatest lesson was when she lef…

> Since she left earth and moved to the universe, she’s become a super awesome space mum! I speak to her everyday. Oh man... right in the feels. I hope you can your family are doing well over in London.

Thank-you for your kind words.

Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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We are talking about "radical views" here, not simply "viewpoints that don't align with our own". It's bizarre that you think those are the same.

What's the difference?

I'm happy to continue the conversation, but we shouldn't entertain the rantings of the guy who claims to believe that repeating the basis of his argument back to him is reductive. My Keybase is in the bio, either twitter or [my domain]@gmail.com

Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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That's something you would say in a sermon to a crowd. Not to an addict and certainly not to their loved ones. See, you are on the one hand saying the addict is fine doing whatever it is they are, and on the other hand you are shaming the loved ones of the addict into a position of never giving up on him/her. All of that will just make things worse for all parties. You see, the addict, after a point, does not really…

The problem is you assuming love is a reciprocal relationship. If you don't want to love someone, fine, by all means don't. But please don't go about preaching addicts don't need love

The core of my thesis is - and most professionals likely will agree with me on this - you should not waste your life away because of an addict. Both of you have only one life. If the addict is on a path to waste theirs, do not throw two lives away.

I understand why you would find this callous. On the other hand, knowing far too well what I'm talking about, I find your approach potentially very harmful.

It sounds like you think I'm coming to this from a moral or religious high ground. I'm not. I have far better understanding of relationship dynamics with an addict than I would ever want.

"But please don't go about preaching addicts don't need love"

Of course not, that would be de-humanizing. But similarly no single person should feel obligated to love an addict.

Let me explain where I'm coming from. My mom was a heavy drinker and that affected all aspects of her life for decades. My father spent most of his good years living with her, but after my mother died, I realized staying with my mom had been a mistake from his part.

His mood brightened remarkably and he found a new person to share his life with. Sadly, he died in a few years as well.

Had he not spent his life with my mom I'm fairly sure he would have been a lot happier. I mean, sure, it's a roll of the die but surely staying with my mom was close to snake-eyes in terms of what sort of relationship you can end in.

Especially in the later years my moms behaviour changed and she turned partly a different person.

You love who you choose to love. But you are not obliged to love anybody and most certainly you are not responsible for anyone elses happiness.

Nobody should feel obligated to show love to anyone else except your child, and should be ok to take distance and gauge their options - especially with an addict.

Addicts can recover, and sometimes cannot.

You can't force an addict to recover. And more importantly, you can't heal an addict. The addict needs to take the responsibility for their own condition.

Taking distance can be part of the addicts journey to a non-addicted way of living. But you can't push nor pull them.

Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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What's the difference?

I'm happy to continue the conversation, but we shouldn't entertain the rantings of the guy who claims to believe that repeating the basis of his argument back to him is reductive. My Keybase is in the bio, either twitter or [my domain]@gmail.com

Just don't respond to him?

You made your statement here, you can defend your statement here.

Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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I'm happy to continue the conversation, but we shouldn't entertain the rantings of the guy who claims to believe that repeating the basis of his argument back to him is reductive. My Keybase is in the bio, either twitter or [my domain]@gmail.com

Just don't respond to him? You made your statement here, you can defend your statement here.

You asked the question! If the reason you asked it is because you are genuinely interested in the answer, then you can reach out. No problem otherwise.

Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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A lighter comment then the others.

My mom would often drive me and my brother crazy by having views completely opposite to ours. On purpose. To force us to discuss and defend our point.

When we were teens all topics were addressed, she would be anti abortion when we were pro (she was too), against euthanasia when we were for (she was for) etc. Since we had in reality very similar views it of was a heck of a job for her to defend the other perspective.

That was awsome. I almost went to study law (but choose physics) and I am doing the same with my children.

Our discussions were very "latine" as we say in France. Quite quickly we would jump on each other and it seemed that there would be manslaughter. In the middle of that was my father who was emotional as a fish and liked to watch the show.

When I met my future wife, we invited her father home for lunch. I told my mom to not talk about anything controversial so that we look like a normal family. She completely agreed and we settled for art or something.

He came home, everyone was smiling and then my half brained brother (20 something at that time) brought to the table the subject of elections. After some time we were ready to kill each other with my mom. The future father in law quietly said that maybe it is time for him to leave to which we both jumped all in smiles telling that no, sorry, this was just an accident and other chit-chat. Some more cake maybe? What do you think about Picasso?

He much much later told us that he thought he was in a psychiatric ward.

I love my mom and dad, calling them right now!

Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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Are you OK? If you want to talk further I can be available via Discord, Teams, mobile, whatever...

Thank you, you are very kind. Im doing pretty well and have supportive friends and family. Are you a counsellor or generally like helping people through issues? I've always felt like I wanted to do that, though I'm not sure I have the right skills.

I'm just some bloke in Australia lol

I just wanted to make sure you had someone, anyone, in case the opposite was true.

Glad you have a support network my friend. Good luck.

Re: Tell HN: Call Mom

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I find most mothers(yes, I am generalizing) manipulative and toxic. I think going through the traumatic process of biological procreation does something to their psyche and damages them forever. Like PTSD. And they don’t get help. They get Mothers Day cards and flowers instead. Different women deal with it differently. The glorification of motherhood and the enormous pressure on ‘being a good mom’ and creating gods f…

A true feminist would genetically engineer the human species? Why not erase sexes while we're at it?

No. That’s not what I meant. I said that a true feminist would want to fix the biological inequalities and not social inequalities. Hence feminism ..as we know it..is mostly fluff.

Having said that, I am in favour of genetically engineering the human species. If we are to be a space faring species, we will most certainly have to genetically alter the genome.

I don’t know if we can erase sexes. However, there will be a greater degree of feminization. The default gender is female. Y is a ..how you say..I want to call it a mutation.

Patriarchy..as the feminists call it..is just the mutation gone rogue.

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I like this comment very much. I don’t have such a person, but if you do, call that person. Embrace those whom treat you with respect, care, and compassion.

I'm a dude in my 30s but if you ever want hot soup when backpacking through southern India, come over. I'm @stonecharioteer everywhere. Mom will make you a bowl and ask you to comb your hair for the full experience.

Thank you, I will bring an appropriate gift to show my appreciation.
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