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Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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> How would a student unable to park be able to attend classes? Except in the (very significant, and needs to be considered) case of disability... By walking between close-together classes, and bicycling or taking buses whenever longer distances need to be covered? This just sounds so alien to me... If I can't bring my gigantic metal box and engine with me, how am I supposed to get places?

These are the sort of topics where the US-ness of HN really shines through. Though it’s true that if the alternatives to driving require infrastructure that does not exist in many places then they’re not really short-term solutions.

Hell, at least in warm areas motorcycles are pretty much a drop-in replacement for cars and still require less infrastructure.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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Nah, the world does far more than enough unreasonable subsidizing of driving as it is. By all means, have some space for parking. And then charge market rate for it at peak hours, with free transit/shuttle passes for students.

That's great for urban campuses. But what about suburban and rural ones? Also: Great, you've got the students covered. What about the faculty and staff? They just have to pay "market rate" for the privilege of parking at their own damn jobs? (Full disclosure: I work on a rural college campus, where there are chronic problems with parking, and an administration that cares far more about the campus being beautiful than…

Prefix: I know you were rebutting the idea of rate parking at universities. This reply is just to cover some other possible solutions that are not incompatible with the rate parking idea.

As a student who attends a university that traditionally is considered rural (VT has grown significantly in the past decade, much more than the surrounding towns so I don't know how "rural" we are any more), we struggle with the parking issue as well. This is exacerbated by the housing issue however that's besides the point.

Teachers obviously should get priority with parking and with rate exemption unless there is some exceptional public transportation alternative. If teachers could get by without driving to the school that would be awesome however it obviously isn't feasible since you are permanent residents and likely live further away from campus than students since you can more likely afford the beautiful rural properties.

I could see something like teacher parking sections working well if they were allocated based on need in an area and parking spots converted to also allow student parking when the need for teacher parking was low. Depending on how it's done it could be somewhat complex and require some getting used to however time based zoned parking has worked reasonably well for city residents and I couldn't see it being too difficult to adapt to rural environments.

Our campus has gotten parking decently under control recently excluding the issues due to overcrowding. The things that helped were the free bus system allowing students to use that instead of parking on campus or parking away and taking the bus to campus, those infuriating ride scooters also allowed students to park further away making space for teachers, and the teacher parking spots which convert to generic parking after hours.

We have a lot to improve here but things are at least workable considering our situation. Also this is definitely more apt for a larger college town and I recognise it may not apply to a smaller one however there has to be an analogue that can work for small rural campuses.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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> how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spaces? Presumably most students are living on or not too far from campus. What should be done to get more of them to use transportation options that don't involve driving to and parking on campus?

Cambridge University has it right: undergraduates basically aren’t allowed cars. https://www.proctors.cam.ac.uk/motor-control

> Members of the University in statu pupillari who are in residence in term or in the Long Vacation period of residence are required to have a University Motor Licence if they wish to keep motor vehicles (other than mopeds) within 10 miles of Great St Mary's Church.

Unless the university owns all land within 10 miles of Great St Mary's Church Cambridge University has it horribly wrong.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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Davis also has the rare advantage of rarely raining, and being incredibly flat. Both of these make biking far more attractive to the average student.

> being incredibly flat Europe is full of two-wheeled vehicles that manage to solve this problem.

But we are talking about what it takes to get lazy Americans to bike. I am well aware of how popular biking is in Copenhagen even though they have comparatively terrible weather. Davis truly has an unusual confluence of factors that make biking more appealing to Americans.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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The other day I went to a concert and parked my car at a parking lot. When the concert ended, of course there were masses of people trying to exit the parking lot. There were only 2 cashiers to pay the parking ticket — no automated machines. So we waited over an hour to pay our ticket. Time that we ended up paying with our ticket (per hour parking). The cashier didn’t want to refund us for the waiting time. If the la…

While I agree that's a hassle, I don't think this should result in a refund. It's like ordering dinner, eating it, and then wanting a refund for the meal because you waited a long time for the meal.

What? No it's not.

It's like if you were paying for a meal by each minute taken to eat it, then the waiter left your food on the counter for an hour before bringing it over because they were busy, then they charged you for that hour because "it already left the kitchen"

Adding insult to injury caused by their own lack of preparedness.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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> Wouldn't it make sense that the university, that is charging the students all this money, ensure they have enough parking spaces to satisfy likely demand? Does the school offer paid parking permits? If so, why should students who don't need a parking spot (for whatever reason) need to subsidize those who do? The high overall cost of tuition is a separate issue, and not one that can be solved by including even more…

For the same reason that lots of other things are subsidized, paid for even if you don't use them - school buses and the like - sporting equipment and facilities - library There's lots of services that schools provide, and charge everyone for, because they think it's good for the student body as a while. Maybe a more controversial one... a school that supplies free transit to/from the local night scene, so that peopl…

Your examples all seem like things that are beneficial to all, and that all should use.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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How is this a harmful solution? Releasing it legally is simple and easy and non destructive

And buying a licensed DVD player is simple and easy and non-destructive.

Giving money to a company supporting DRM is destructive.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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I spent a decade in the parking technology space. (Co-founder PayByPhone -- don't hate me, I genuinely tried to make things more civilized and convenient, I swear!). Anyways, I miss hearing about hilarious and genius hacks and escalations like this. The brilliance deployed to work around parking regulations is amazing. Not condoning, but here's a (naive?) though experiment if the Barnacle shows up in use again... Par…

@emptybits

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do an AMA somewhere (even in this thread)

1. What do you think about products like SpotHero & others? (Can those comp

2. Do you think parking lots will be an attractive investment in the future? (Autonomous or bet on it for next while)

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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I don't know the situation, but I could easily imagine parking violations being common where parking is inadequate. Instead of improving the situation, the school simply rakes in money.

This really depends on the state. In Montana, for example, it is a legal requirement that parking is funded separate from the rest of the school. This means that no tuition can pay for new lots or enforcement. Fees gathered from normal parking rates and fines are used only to maintain and/or improve the parking.

This seems like a really convenient way for schools to pass the buck on to their students, while administrative bureaucrats continue to rake salaries in the hundreds of thousands of dollars per year.
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