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Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by meesterdude »

aluminussoma wrote: post #220
kcanini wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked for Bill for about a year at GV. He was one of the friendliest managers I've ever met at Google. I randomly met Dave Drummond once at a coffee shop in Sausalito (I didn't know who he was at the time... he just commented on my Google shirt), and he gave me an inexplicably uncomfortable feeling.

I think it is a bad idea to say this about him without providing a concrete example on how he made you uncomfortable. I'm sure I have accidentally made someone uncomfortable before. Does that make me a bad person? I hope not.

> I think it is a bad idea to say this about him without providing a concrete example on how he made you uncomfortable.

They don't have to justify themselves to you. He saw what he saw, and felt what he felt. if you have any problem with that, that's on you.

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Post by throw7 »

bhaile wrote: post #154

Interesting comment from Bill Maris from Axios. Bill Maris, who founded Google's venture capital arm and reported directly to Drummond before quitting in 2016, tells Axios... "The news of David Drummond leaving Google today brings to mind a quote from one of my most favorite creatures. 'At an end, your rule is. And not short enough, it was.' I had been asked in the past why I left Google in 2016, and I have never rea…

is that a star wars quote???

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by joering2 »

bhaile wrote: post #154

Interesting comment from Bill Maris from Axios. Bill Maris, who founded Google's venture capital arm and reported directly to Drummond before quitting in 2016, tells Axios... "The news of David Drummond leaving Google today brings to mind a quote from one of my most favorite creatures. 'At an end, your rule is. And not short enough, it was.' I had been asked in the past why I left Google in 2016, and I have never rea…

> Drummond was charged by the Securities and Exchange Commission in 2005 with causing Google to violate securities law because he failed to advise the company's board that the company was required to register $80 million in stock options used as compensation for employees.[1]

Do you know anyone who would hire someone after making a $80MM mistake??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Drummond_(businessman)

Re: Alphabet’s Chief Legal Officer Stepping Down Amid Investigation

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Post by joering2 »

outside1234 wrote: post #12
lacker wrote: post #11

These sexual misconduct investigations at Google are really finding some critical stuff. At this point my guess is that it is related to the Larry and Sergey resignations, and we will eventually hear information that reflects poorly on them directly.

Haven't we already? Sergey was banging everything that moved at one point. ref: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-sergey-brin-employees...

Xoogler here; I haven't been close to the food chain to be there in person, but close enough to see photos from Managers/owners trips to Thailand, and believe me they were not going there to visit Temple of the Emerald Buddha. I seen photos that UK's the Sun would probably pay me seven digits for, but I was much younger and still wanted to live lawsuits free life. Fun times.

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Post by whamlastxmas »

booi wrote: post #193
dlp211 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the $150MM in stock he's unloaded over the past quarter will have to suffice.

how do you live on only $150MM in this day and age?

If he's lucky he'll buy a house in the bay area with that

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Post by whamlastxmas »

dang wrote: post #218
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He specifies that he was there over 20 years, prior to the company being incorporated, and only joined full-time in 2002. That being said: David Drummond is a terrible person[0], who only has been there this long because of Larry Page and Sergey Brin's protection, because they are terrible people too[1][2]. The way Google's highest executives have treated women is disgusting and inexcusable. And while Drummond may no…

Please keep the "terrible person" trope off HN. The online call-out culture is good for shaming and indignation, but it wrecks curious conversation. Here we want curious conversation. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Does this extend to conversations about Trump as well?

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Post by zzzcarrot »

joering2 wrote: post #234
outside1234 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't we already? Sergey was banging everything that moved at one point. ref: https://www.businessinsider.com/google-sergey-brin-employees...

Xoogler here; I haven't been close to the food chain to be there in person, but close enough to see photos from Managers/owners trips to Thailand, and believe me they were not going there to visit Temple of the Emerald Buddha. I seen photos that UK's the Sun would probably pay me seven digits for, but I was much younger and still wanted to live lawsuits free life. Fun times.

Details pls!

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Post by rayiner »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #189
rayiner wrote: post #184

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Consent is the minimum required for sex to not be rape. That doesn’t mean the relationship is ethical.

I don't know of a scenario where I would say a relationship is unethical if consent is satisfied. What scenario do you have in mind?

Adulterous relationships. Incestuous relationships. Relationships between professors and students. Relationships based on economic or employment coercion. Relationships in the workplace, even if not coerced, that could result in favoritism prejudicial to others. Again, consent merely distinguishes rape from non-rape. There are many degrees of wrong and unethical conduct short of the outright criminal.

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Post by rayiner »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #150
rayiner wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the mother has a right to decide against the burden of a child, the father should as well (all things being equal). This is your false premise. Nothing about fairness requires the law to give someone additional rights to offset someone else’s intrinsic advantages. Neither men nor women have a “legal right to decide against the burden of a child.” If either has a child, they’re on the hook for it. The law doesn’t…

I'm talking about what should be the case, i.e. what is a moral right or duty. Legal concerns just add extra complication that are tangential to my claims.

I am not talking about what the law is, but rather what fairness requires the law to be. Fairness doesn’t necessarily require giving one sex more legal rights (allowing men to disavow parental obligations) to make up for a biological limitation (inability to terminate a pregnancy).

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Post by icelancer »

pinewurst wrote: post #142
loganfrederick wrote: post #79

I really liked Ben Horowitz's new book "What You Do Is Who You Are". However, the only passage that I disliked and stood out to me is when he defended David Drummond for his ability to thrive at Google for a long time despite the corporate culture changing. This was after Drummond was called out publicly for abandoning his kid he had with a subordinate: https://www.law.com/corpcounsel/2018/10/25/report-alphabet-c...…

This is the same Ben Horowitz who defended illegal option price fixing and other ethically dubious behavior in his last book. I'll probably get penalized for this, but achieving success is not equivalent to being a role model.

>> defended illegal option price fixing

That's literally the opposite of what he did in the book, and in subsequent interviews.

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