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Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by jasonzemos »

kick wrote: post #199
Arathorn wrote: post #170

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(matrix proj lead here): ooi what sort of problems are you thinking of here? just to check they are on our radar at the right priority.

(Breaking out this sentence into blocks because it's very large.) The specification as-written is really, really bad (though I don't think this is a fault of the protocol), Synapse is kind of...and work on Dendrite seems to have mostly stalled, the billion people signed up on matrix.org has allowed for a sort of de facto centralization (not a huge problem, though in practice it sort of is, given how much the server b…

Others have better responses to the rest of these points; many of them are still significant issues though a lot has progressed over the last couple years. I can preempt one though by saying alternatives to Synapse like https://github.com/matrix-construct/construct are probably something more aligned with your interests. (disclosure: I started the project with kaniini).

After more than two years in and around this space I'm still comfortable with stating that I'd take Matrix with all^wmost its flaws over ActivityPub. All of these protocols kind of suck. I see Matrix as having the lowest hamming distance between where it is and where it should be.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by jakelazaroff »

espadrine wrote: post #202
mathnmusic wrote: post #28

They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…

Three reasons why not: operational, business, and technical. Operational: they don’t control features; adding them by contributing to the standard would leak planned features, and without contributing, would be seen as embrace-extend-extinguish. Business: it would contribute work to their competitors. Technical: implementing global search on it is implausible.

This is doomed from the start, then. There’s no way for them to work on an open standard without leaking features or contributing work to their competitors.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by dragonelite »

banads wrote: post #78
deegles wrote: post #65

So now instead of a focused team of experts detecting and removing disinformation campaigns, each user will have to figure it out on their own or hire a service to do it.

Good, then people will be more inclined towards independent critical thinking

this, and people are free to believe what they how bad and stupid it might look to others.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by jwandborg »

kick wrote: post #60
mactavish88 wrote: post #51

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First of all, I literally read the spec (and related specs) last week in detail. Secondly, there's a massive difference between decentralized and distributed systems (I build distributed systems for a living). Perhaps you're confused about that difference? Thirdly, if you're going to knock a collective effort like ActivityPub by calling it a "horrible protocol" without genuine technical substantiation, you're effecti…

Webber's trashed it (the initial author), the biggest piece of software claiming to implement it doesn't even implement it (Mastodon), the only piece of software that stays semi-faithful is full of devs who hate it (look on their Pleroma profiles, there's a _bunch_ of bitching about AP). You're frankly uninformed on many levels, and while I'd normally refrain from replying to someone so obviously delusional, let's gi…

Webber personally refuted your claim in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21764564

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by arthurcolle »

save_ferris wrote: post #210
arthurcolle wrote: post #133

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I love that little creature. Why don't you?

I personally get really strong uncanny valley vibes from that thing. I might dig a cartoon version of it, but that banner image seriously creeps me out.

I don't even think it is a real animal, it looks like a capuchin monkey or something. Anyone know what species it is?

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by mr__y »

1shooner wrote: post #184
ndarwincorn wrote: post #107

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This retconned history of the mistake that's popped up in the last few years is bizarre. No one thought this at the time. Bush tripped over his words all the time. It's much more likely that than a calculated move (that backfired btw, it's been his most famous quote since the day he said it.)

Rarely is the question asked: is our children learning?

it depends on how much is brazilian

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by FemmeAndroid »

asymmetric wrote: post #230
emacsen wrote: post #196

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> Webber's trashed it (the initial author) and is working on a way to mitigate the problems of it by implementing incompatible changes, This is not true on multiple levels Webber has not trashed ActivtiyPub. I'd love if you could provide some evidence. And the updates, in the form of OcapPub, are not at all incompatible with the current AP. They're an optional add-on that has a good default behavior. Source: I worked…

What’s the podcast named?

I think it's Libre Lounge - https://librelounge.org/

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by rrix2 »

buboard wrote: post #134
rhcom2 wrote: post #110

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> It makes sense business-wise and it's a win-win for humanity. Does it make sense business-wise? What business will want to be on a system that has no moderation? It's just asking for your brand to be accidentally or intentionally associated with undesirable things.

google is in the email business tons of businesses send promotional emails , even though they know the protocol is also used for sending porjn

And the only reason businesses still use email is Google's development of advanced and almost effective content moderation.

Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media

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Post by ctrlaltdylan »

mathnmusic wrote: post #28

They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…

Can someone explain in 3 short phrases or less how ActivityPub or another standard actually solves the problems that centralized social media creates?
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